21:05:51 Timo Daehlie: war ;)
21:05:55 Jeffrey Gomez: Ohnoesspyware
21:06:06 Montelli Vantelli: OK I'll be quiet now.
21:06:08 Talarus Luan: OK, as stated. Going to keep to a similar agenda as last time. More or less, I think we need to move more into the operational phase of the campaign.
21:06:22 Talarus Luan: First off, news from the Front.
21:07:15 Talarus Luan: I had a nice long conversation with Prince Rosenbaum early last week. Pretty much confirmed most everything we have been saying here and to LL.
21:07:46 Rem Nightfire: nice?
21:08:09 Talarus Luan: In case you anyone doesn't know, he/she/it is an alt of Rvu Naglo / Denideny Boa / Rn Footman /Deny Vendetta
21:08:33 Talarus Luan: Yes, well, it lasted aroung 4.5 hours, so it had to stay nice. :)
21:08:42 Talarus Luan: Lots of circular logic and reasoning.
21:08:53 Rem Nightfire: wow
21:09:05 Rem Nightfire: yes hes good at that
21:09:20 Talarus Luan: Apparently, this person was "hurt" in the land game by extortionists, and now has become one because of it.
21:09:24 Timo Daehlie: i met him yesterday with Xerses too
21:09:44 Talarus Luan: Don't ask me to explain that logic, because I cannot.
21:10:17 Montelli Vantelli: A "feel sorry for me" excuse perhaps?
21:10:34 Hekate Galatea: "the problem with success is you become what you detest"
21:10:38 Rem Nightfire: oh we do
21:10:43 Talarus Luan: Anyway... he claims we have moles in the Ad Zoo and also in the Arbor project, alts of all the well-known landcutters, whom he is now buddy-buddy with
21:10:52 Timo Daehlie: lol
21:10:55 Jeffrey Gomez: Oh noes.
21:11:16 Talarus Luan: Of that, I have no doubt, but it doesn't matter. We have nothing to hide.
21:11:19 Jeffrey Gomez: Obviously, we should all be very afraid that he might steal our virtual panties.
21:11:
23 Hekate Galatea: I don't think that anything that's gone on here has been really hush-hush.
21:11:30 Hekate Galatea: You're wearing panties?
21:11:39 Jeffrey Gomez: Metaphorically speaking. :)
21:11:45 Talarus Luan: We want our effort to be spread far and wide, and want the parasites to know that we are onto them.
21:11:49 Hekate Galatea: Yeah...sure.
21:11:54 Jeffrey Gomez: (I've been found out)
21:12:00 Talarus Luan: Subtlety is not this Dragon's specialty. :D
21:12:15 Montelli Vantelli: Dragons wear panties?
21:12:22 Montelli Vantelli: sorry, I'll shut up.
21:12:24 Hekate Galatea: Secrecy usually just breeds problems anyway.
21:12:34 Jeffrey Gomez: Eyep.
21:12:57 Jeffrey Gomez: Who needs cloak and dagger when you can go for blunt force, gridwide? :)
21:13:16 Talarus Luan: Anyway. The next news morsel is the Jack Linden meeting. We had a huge show of support from many people, including ones from the Zoo, Sarah Nerd, Yohan Pintens, and even Skye Whitcroft was there, though she was there for other reasons.
21:13:44 Talarus Luan: We easily had half the people present representing the land extortionist issue.
21:13:53 Hekate Galatea: that's great.
21:14:00 Hekate Galatea: did it make an impression?
21:14:09 Talarus Luan: Again, Jack assured us that they are seriously considering what to do about it, but had nothing new to tell us other than that.
21:14:
23 Hekate Galatea: mmm. how nice.
21:14:32 Jeffrey Gomez: They want an Easy Button(TM).
21:14:37 Hekate Galatea: Me too.
21:14:40 Talarus Luan: I think it did, as well as giving him a sheaf of photographic evidence as well as most of the chat with Prince Rosenbaum
21:15:08 Talarus Luan: I think it was probably eye-opening enough to provoke a response.
21:15:25 Talarus Luan: As you can probably tell from his profile comments. :)
21:15:49 Montelli Vantelli: I am back
21:16:16 Talarus Luan: "Each action causes a reaction. If you start a war dont threaten me by asking Lindens to save your ass, if you are not just a coward trash..."
21:16:32 Timo Daehlie: i am affraid ..
21:16:38 Hekate Galatea: shaking like a leaf.
21:16:41 Talarus Luan: Obviously English is not his native tongue.
21:16:43 Timo Daehlie: yeah
21:16:55 Timo Daehlie: he isbulgarian or rumenian
21:17:01 Timo Daehlie: i thaught the first one
21:17:38 Talarus Luan: Probably so. He speaks in terms of class warfare, especially against the "greedy imperialist Americans"
21:17:50 Hekate Galatea: oooh that's me! I'm a greedy american.
21:18:01 Hekate Galatea: I'm broke, but greedy.
21:18:03 Talarus Luan: Whom he thinks he is scamming with this land cuts
21:18:27 Talarus Luan: ..and hates Timo worst of all, Greedy Imperialist American that he is... :P
21:18:33 [Free Radar HUD]: /me v1.1 by Crystal Gadgets
21:18:40 Timo Daehlie: yeah
21:18:47 Hekate Galatea: Yes. He's quite a good american.
21:19:01 Talarus Luan: wb Rem
21:19:10 Timo Daehlie: well i like coffee and donuts ..
21:19:
22 Hekate Galatea: that makes you an american cop.
21:19:24 Talarus Luan: Alright. Rem has also been seeing some interesting things in his travels.
21:19:39 Montelli Vantelli: ahaahah
21:19:47 Rem Nightfire: yes sorry i coulnt get back in
21:19:53 Talarus Luan: No problem :)
21:19:54 Kyrion Yalin: you are american, Timo? i din t know...
21:19:57 Talarus Luan: DB is acting slow
21:20:03 Timo Daehlie: half ;)
21:20:05 Rem Nightfire: ive had my signs blocked in 2 places so far
21:20:15 Timo Daehlie: my ancestors went to the states to found new amsterdam
21:20:38 Hekate Galatea: so we blame you for new york.
21:20:40 Rem Nightfire: they have put up boxes in front of them but i just have raised them higher
21:
21:02 [Fly-Bangle de Lux 2.1]: All Go
21:
21:20 Rem Nightfire: also timo has a picture of a good example of price extrition in a new sim
21:
21:39 Drongle McMahon: Sorry folks ...I was crashed out
21:
21:43 Timo Daehlie: top villa ;)
21:
21:55 Talarus Luan: You have a viewer. :P
21:
22:
22 Talarus Luan: /me gestures behind him :P
21:
22:29 Rem Nightfire: lots of that going around
21:
22:50 Timo Daehlie: if you see a Top Villa offered in land list you should check the property lines below it
21:
23:42 Hekate Galatea: that's crazy! not even close to staying on his side.
21:
23:43 Rem Nightfire: ha
21:
23:44 Timo Daehlie: if anyone has pictures please pass them on to me
21:
23:48 Talarus Luan: Yeah..
21:
23:58 Rem Nightfire: did you see the ones i sent talarus?
21:24:02 Talarus Luan: Yes
21:24:28 Talarus Luan: Especially the little house
21:24:55 Rem Nightfire: yes thats a classic example the only cut lot is the one where someone built a house
21:25:02 Talarus Luan: Did you see any other Seth Sass properties disappear?
21:25:
22 Rem Nightfire: no but his price went from 999 to 333 and
222
21:25:25 Talarus Luan: (sorry, that is an also)
21:25:29 Timo Daehlie: yeah i saw it oo
21:25:32 Timo Daehlie: too
21:25:36 Timo Daehlie: maybe he is selling out
21:25:57 Talarus Luan: Reminds me of another Hypocrite Thor / Torus Frog
21:26:16 Timo Daehlie: 561 Gumbo
21:26:27 Timo Daehlie: Tee Darw
21:26:39 Talarus Luan: Starts dropping prices right before cancelling that account
21:26:50 Timo Daehlie: yep and then refers to another account
21:26:55 Rem Nightfire: is she dropping?
21:27:03 Timo Daehlie: so you get the referal bonus and stipends
21:27:07 Timo Daehlie: lowering
21:27:10 Rem Nightfire: no more 777?
21:27:15 Timo Daehlie: some
21:27:
21 Talarus Luan: Well, until the next account does it
21:27:34 Talarus Luan: We think the person behind those accounts is gaming tier
21:27:45 Timo Daehlie: but the 999s are changed into
222 and 333 so he probably dont sell at 999 or 777
21:27:47 Talarus Luan: and using referral bonuses to help fund
21:28:04 Timo Daehlie: yeps
21:28:17 Talarus Luan: When he finishes burning one account, he moves onto the next
21:28:26 Montelli Vantelli: oh clever
21:28:50 Timo Daehlie: yeah savs you 5 dollar a month lol
21:28:53 Talarus Luan: Hopefully the Lindens will eventually catch up with him.
21:29:02 Jeffrey Gomez: They should just zap his credit card.
21:29:05 Rem Nightfire: who's his alt?
21:29:12 Timo Daehlie: 561 gumbo
21:29:14 Hekate Galatea: $5 is a gallon of gas...
21:29:15 Timo Daehlie: torus frog
21:29:18 Timo Daehlie: tee darwin
21:29:20 Rem Nightfire: ah
21:29:
21 Timo Daehlie: time dalglsih
21:29:30 Rem Nightfire: all of them???
21:29:34 Timo Daehlie: yeps
21:29:35 Talarus Luan: Yup
21:29:36 Rem Nightfire: wow
21:29:38 Montelli Vantelli: no doubt, enough gas to get to the next gas station
21:29:40 Hekate Galatea: Seems like he's got way too much time on his hands.
21:29:52 Talarus Luan: ..and he probably has at least a dozen more we don't (yet) know about
21:30:05 Timo Daehlie: he will make new ones in time in order to receive more referal bonusses
21:30:14 Talarus Luan: Well, if it is profitable, it becomes a job, like a lot of crime
21:30:27 Jeffrey Gomez: ^
21:30:37 Hekate Galatea: I know that on tribe, people would create a whole slew of "sleeper" alts, to bring out later. Then no one could immediately say they were alts based on their joining date.
21:30:48 Rem Nightfire: someone got his two at fellin and they are now gov linden land
21:30:57 Talarus Luan: If you can make money stealing, and have little to no risk of getting caught, why not make it a profession? That's the way these people think.
21:31:16 Hekate Galatea: And here I've been trying to sell things. I'm a fool@
21:31:56 Talarus Luan: Especially with SL being International now, it is all about 2nd and 3rd world countries sticking it to "the man", in this case, the US and other "first world" countries
21:32:
21 Hekate Galatea: do they not realize that most of us in the US are not anywhere near being "the man"?
21:32:44 Talarus Luan: They have the same stereotypes about us that most of our sheeple have about their citizenry.
21:32:47 Rem Nightfire: and we got barak
21:32:52 Hekate Galatea: "the man" is too busy screwing people over in real life to be on SL.
21:32:58 Timo Daehlie: we got harry potter 2
21:33:02 Rem Nightfire: haha
21:33:09 Jeffrey Gomez: It's the basic concept of "The Other"
21:33:25 Hekate Galatea: xenophobia.
21:33:31 Hekate Galatea: isn't that what it's called?
21:33:33 Jeffrey Gomez: That is one extension, yep.
21:33:37 Talarus Luan: Anyway.. it's just a stupid stereotypical mentality. That was about 1/3rd of what I spent time talking to Prince about last week in that long chat.
21:33:57 Talarus Luan: He kept throwing class/country warfare at me, and I kept pointing out just how stupid it was.
21:34:08 Rem Nightfire: so kc and i have been seeing lots of cases of people copying the signs and fountains and putting them around many people are joining this fight
21:34:15 Jeffrey Gomez: As if he has any interest in a Greater Cause instead of just making a buck.
21:34:19 Montelli Vantelli: Always greener on the other side of the fence
21:34:49 Hekate Galatea: Well, I guess you know who to talk to first - the people copying the signs.
21:34:56 Rem Nightfire: yes
21:34:57 Talarus Luan: Yes, Rem. Didn't you also say you saw someone putting out our materials on adfarmer land? or was that someone else?
21:35:45 Talarus Luan: Apparently, someone is taking anti-extortionist propaganda and materials and using them to "legitimze their land extortion.
21:35:48 Rem Nightfire: well markbyron somebody has been abandoning land and leaving big AD FARms suck" boxes on them
21:36:42 Rem Nightfire: yes garbage collectors have been taking the fountains and trying to look like they are anti ad
21:37:00 Talarus Luan: Garbage Collectors is Tyrian Camillo's group
21:37:11 Rem Nightfire: they are very strange
21:37:14 Talarus Luan: aka Mainostaulu
21:37:18 Timo Daehlie: yeps
21:37:31 Drongle McMahon: Are they good or bad?
21:37:53 Timo Daehlie: well mainistoulous says he is not an adfarmer but you see him everywhere on 32m2 plots
21:37:56 Rem Nightfire: well they had the fountain there and 10m away was a 16 for 999
21:38:04 Talarus Luan: Tyrian is another advertising network owner.
21:38:05 Timo Daehlie: he uses the situation whereever he can
21:38:07 Timo Daehlie: yeps
21:38:08 Rem Nightfire: for sale by them
21:38:
21 Drongle McMahon: trying to confuse?
21:38:
23 Talarus Luan: and he does play the land extortion game, just like the rest of them
21:38:34 Timo Daehlie: wolf in sheep clothes
21:38:38 Talarus Luan: Yes, using alts / different groups
21:38:39 Rem Nightfire: yes they are dadaists i think
21:39:15 Hekate Galatea: oh no. not that!
21:39:
21 Rem Nightfire: haha
21:39:32 Rem Nightfire: with a profit motive
21:39:39 Talarus Luan: Anyway. If you see adfarmers using our materials like that, let us know. AR it and take pictures, as it is fraud.
21:39:43 Hekate Galatea: (as if the dadaists don't)
21:40:24 Talarus Luan: OK. Any other news items from the front?
21:40:43 Hekate Galatea: I've bought a few bits of land near PLandz lately.
21:40:55 Rem Nightfire: too bad kc isnt here hes got spots all over the place
21:40:57 Hekate Galatea: turned them in for L9999 16's with ban lines.
21:40:58 Talarus Luan: /me nodnods.
21:41:14 Drongle McMahon: I saw your pieces in Sunspot, Rem
21:41:
23 Rem Nightfire: yes he likes his banlines
21:41:24 Talarus Luan: Yes, that is RN/PR's present tactic of choice
21:41:58 Drongle McMahon: Did you pay the asking prices?
21:42:01 Hekate Galatea: One of them was interesting - it's a long strip of 16's down the very edge of a sim. About half of them are for sale cheap, half not.
21:42:06 Talarus Luan: We have a feeling that the Rvu Naglo account was banned
21:42:16 Hekate Galatea: I paid for the cheap ones in between - L70 I think.
21:42:
21 Rem Nightfire: you mean fellin?
21:42:36 Timo Daehlie: or suspended at least for a day after harassing me and several others with scripted spamming
21:42:49 Talarus Luan: Yeah.. that's the same tactic.. he makes up the cost of the land on selling it at market price, except choice holes.
21:43:15 Talarus Luan: and those are marked up to L$9999 or somesuch
21:43:17 Hekate Galatea: I built around them. Made it look like sludge flowing through pipes.
21:43:28 Drongle McMahon: Timo told me I should't pay more than 4/m to put signs on.
21:43:30 Rem Nightfire: so i have a question about buying even a few at 70 are we still helping them out by doing that?
21:43:39 Timo Daehlie: yeah
21:43:42 Hekate Galatea: It wasn't from them - at least, not directly.
21:43:47 Timo Daehlie: it creates tier for them to cut a new 512
21:43:51 Drongle McMahon: Yes Rem ... thast is my question
21:43:58 Timo Daehlie: the pieces they offer lower they do that with that purpose
21:44:00 Talarus Luan: Well, "helping" by repaying the same price they paid, I don't think so.
21:44:04 Timo Daehlie: more tier available
21:44:05 Rem Nightfire: its a tough one a tradeoff to get our info out i suppose
21:44:10 Hekate Galatea: How can we be sure that the 70's are them, if they use a different name/group?
21:44:19 Talarus Luan: You can't, really
21:44:32 Talarus Luan: Because it may not be, or it may be.
21:44:35 Timo Daehlie: the groups who cut we know
21:44:37 Rem Nightfire: well sarah's blog was talking about land that was bought for 1 L/m
21:44:54 Timo Daehlie: landbot
21:45:02 Rem Nightfire: atushi mopp has most of the cheap ones
21:45:17 Timo Daehlie: yeah he is a new cutter : A & R
21:45:27 Timo Daehlie: atushi06
21:45:31 Rem Nightfire: yes
21:45:47 Hekate Galatea: (just a note: the grid status page says SL is offline)
21:45:53 Montelli Vantelli: Well, so we have names....
21:45:55 Rem Nightfire: oooo
21:45:57 Talarus Luan: My take on it is if you are not helping them profit, then buy. I personally still offer L$10/sqm in my region.
21:46:12 Rem Nightfire: why are we still here?
21:46:14 Montelli Vantelli: What do we do with these names?
21:46:27 Rem Nightfire: if its off line?
21:46:36 Talarus Luan: But that's because I have very few left, and I know they aren't making money on those that are left.
21:46:46 Talarus Luan: Rem?
21:46:52 Montelli Vantelli: LL maystop new logins to let the dataservers catch up...
21:47:04 Hekate Galatea: No idea why it says we're offline, I was just checking to see if I could find out who I'd bought from and grid status popped up
21:47:08 Talarus Luan: Oh.. grid status.
21:47:11 Rem Nightfire: yes
21:47:16 Drongle McMahon: concurrency was64k when I crashed ... had to try sevearal times to get back.
21:47:
22 Montelli Vantelli: me too
21:47:26 Talarus Luan: Logins may be closed, but unless they specifically boot everyone out, you can stay logged in
21:47:31 Rem Nightfire: oh good
21:47:40 Talarus Luan: just don't crash ;)
21:47:41 Jeffrey Gomez: They've been broadcasting that for a bit now. They said on the site that it's a temporary slowdown.
21:48:03 Hekate Galatea: means I can't get the name from my history though - I'll check it later and see what i can find out.
21:48:06 Rem Nightfire: so is land available at 1 L/m? if thats the case with atushi hes making a bundle on 70.plot
21:48:16 Timo Daehlie: no its isnt
21:48:25 Talarus Luan: Alright. Any more news before we get onto the next item?
21:48:30 Rem Nightfire: what was she talking about?
21:48:31 Timo Daehlie: sometimes a mistake is made by a resident who sets his land for sale
21:48:37 Rem Nightfire: ohhh
21:48:42 Timo Daehlie: a bot can capture it or a fast resident
21:49:06 Drongle McMahon: Is there any progress seeing if ARs for banline extortion plots will work?
21:49:08 Hekate Galatea: I've been finding a lot of 16's for under L100.
21:49:10 Talarus Luan: Yeah Prince bragged that he is faster than a landbot.. *rolls eyes*
21:49:12 Timo Daehlie: land of L$ 1/m2 is also the rate Gov Linden offers reclaimed parcels when you file a ticket for it
21:49:15 Rem Nightfire: yes
21:49:24 Hekate Galatea: not like before - used to be that L8.3 per sm was the lowest.
21:49:35 Rem Nightfire: 3.7 or so now
21:49:38 Timo Daehlie: but only when you own 3 sides next to it too
21:49:41 Hekate Galatea: what changed?
21:50:00 Timo Daehlie: auction prices are lowered
21:50:14 Talarus Luan: Land prices are in the toilet.
21:50:15 Timo Daehlie: south of new continent is released now
21:50:26 Drongle McMahon: sevearl auctioned sims had no bids at all
21:50:32 Hekate Galatea: wow.
21:50:33 Rem Nightfire: wow
21:50:33 Timo Daehlie: regions even end without a bid
21:50:36 Timo Daehlie: yeps
21:50:42 Talarus Luan: Jack said that the average price of _traded_ land is around L$6.3/sqm
21:50:53 Timo Daehlie: yeah with all the extortion plots ;)
21:51:00 Rem Nightfire: i still wonder about that stat
21:51:01 Talarus Luan: With everything
21:51:19 Drongle McMahon: depends how they average ... median would be better
21:51:
23 Talarus Luan: Yeah, me too, but it's their data, and they are buying it.
21:51:35 Talarus Luan: Yeah, I pointed that out to Jack.. he missed it
21:51:42 Drongle McMahon: also biased by bay city at 160/m
21:51:58 Talarus Luan: Yep
21:52:01 Timo Daehlie: what about selling from group to your own name
21:52:17 Timo Daehlie: the landlist is much better indication
21:52:
23 Timo Daehlie: 3.7 is madness
21:52:32 Montelli Vantelli: Makes me wonder if they do not plan a buisness split of some sort.
21:52:40 Talarus Luan: He said they do exclude some things, and put them into different categories, like group sales
21:53:27 Rem Nightfire: 4.6 is more common, but i have seen plots as low as 30 L
21:54:04 Drongle McMahon: One way or another, the price crash seems to have fed the ad cutters well.
21:54:14 Talarus Luan: Alright. Unless there is any more pressing news or questions about same, let's open the floor to new materials.
21:54:25 Timo Daehlie: yeah
21:54:29 Timo Daehlie: they are probably the only ones selling atm
21:54:33 Montelli Vantelli: I do have a few ideas....
21:54:45 Talarus Luan: Anyone have any new items or documents to share? :)
21:54:57 Montelli Vantelli: There are two approaches, which can be executed simultaneously.
21:55:01 Timo Daehlie: well i placed some newmax prims in the zoo
21:55:10 Timo Daehlie: very useful sizes
21:55:14 Hekate Galatea: So - in the esteemed opinion of the group, what is the best way to do this? If the 16's are usually owned by bad guys, what can we do to discourage others from buying them, without buying atleast one ourselves?
21:55:36 Rem Nightfire: markbyron made a nice traffic cone with a "ban ad farms" message floating above it nay one want one?
21:55:43 Rem Nightfire: any
21:56:00 Talarus Luan: Well, outside of executing our plan and talking to the landowners nearby, that's about all that can be done, Hekate.
21:56:04 Hekate Galatea: Sure - I'd use it. I've been using a dead nutria.
21:56:18 Rem Nightfire: ha
21:56:46 Talarus Luan: Aye, drop one to me, too :)
21:57:01 Montelli Vantelli: Same here thks
21:57:10 Talarus Luan: In fact, whatever you have that is not already here in the Zoo, send it my way. :)
21:57:13 Esther Merryman: hello
21:57:20 Talarus Luan: Greetings, Esther
21:57:32 Esther Merryman: sorry i have had great difficulty getting here tonight
21:57:43 Talarus Luan: Is OK.. Sl is being bad, per usual
21:57:48 Drongle McMahon: hello esther
21:57:53 Esther Merryman: hi
21:57:55 Montelli Vantelli: Thanks...
21:58:29 Rem Nightfire: sure
21:58:31 Montelli Vantelli: I wanted to add a few things of interest...
21:58:34 Talarus Luan: Thankies :)
21:58:35 Montelli Vantelli: Linden Labs ~ presentation of a solution if we can catch an ear.
21:58:48 Montelli Vantelli: 1). Offer an idea of varied tier fees, weighted heaviest on the smaller parcels. In other words, you will have higher tier to maintain 32 seperate parcels of 16 sqm, vice maintaining one 512 sq m plot.
21:58:58 Montelli Vantelli: But how to change this in midstream?
21:59:15 Montelli Vantelli: a). implement from this point forward (weak).
21:59:21 Esther Merryman: that idea will hurt other business
21:59:24 Montelli Vantelli: b). revamp the tier table completly.
21:59:33 Montelli Vantelli: Which buisnesses?
21:59:43 Montelli Vantelli: ad cutter ones?
21:59:44 Esther Merryman: thweedy herbst for instance
21:59:50 Montelli Vantelli: well...
21:59:54 Montelli Vantelli: how so?
21:59:58 Talarus Luan: well, all that we have done so far is written up proposals, some like that, others restricting the amount of land owned in any one region, as well as plenty of others, and we present them to Jack at his office hours
22:00:08 Esther Merryman: she had 16sqm plots in most sims
22:00:21 Esther Merryman: and uses them for running scripts
22:00:
22 Montelli Vantelli: what does a person do with 16 sq m plots?
22:00:26 Hekate Galatea: I have a probably stupid question - what legitimate reasons are there for having a 16?
22:00:29 Montelli Vantelli: ok
22:00:30 Esther Merryman: has done for a long time
22:00:39 Montelli Vantelli: so maybe she has 1 in each sim
22:00:45 Montelli Vantelli: and not 40 in a sim
22:00:47 Esther Merryman: and does no adfarming at all
22:00:50 Timo Daehlie: thats her goal
22:00:57 Timo Daehlie: server purposes
22:01:00 Montelli Vantelli: this idea would not impact her avatar tracker land tracker code
22:01:09 Drongle McMahon: data gathering and bot landing pads, I believe
22:01:15 Montelli Vantelli: tier would not be that high
22:01:22 Montelli Vantelli: I know what they are
22:01:
23 Esther Merryman: she also allows people to use her land if asked politely
22:01:27 Montelli Vantelli: Elanthious does this too
22:01:31 Montelli Vantelli: no problem...
22:01:41 Montelli Vantelli: may a few dollars a more a month though
22:01:49 Esther Merryman: as she is allowing me to use one of her plots
22:01:54 Montelli Vantelli: as oppsed to 40 or more 16 sq m per sim
22:02:08 Montelli Vantelli: that can get pretty high in tier pretty quick.
22:02:18 Montelli Vantelli: But as i say
22:02:30 Montelli Vantelli: I am typing to get feedback
22:02:39 Talarus Luan: Have you read some of the other proposals we have submitted?
22:02:51 Montelli Vantelli: I have read quite a few.
22:03:04 Montelli Vantelli: Question is , do we have an ear?
22:03:13 Esther Merryman: i put one foward to jack at the meeting
22:03:14 Talarus Luan: We show up every week at Jack Lindens
22:03:19 Esther Merryman: did you see that
22:03:38 Esther Merryman: want a copy montelli
22:03:45 Montelli Vantelli: well sure...
22:03:54 Talarus Luan: So, yes, we have an ear. However, we've been talking into it for a while now.
22:04:14 Talarus Luan: Take the value of having that ear for what it seems to be worth.
22:04:16 Montelli Vantelli: Well this is good news, now do we have feedback from the "ear"
22:04:18 Montelli Vantelli: ?
22:04:46 Montelli Vantelli: So no feedback?
22:04:52 Montelli Vantelli: or are the ideas shot down?
22:04:56 Talarus Luan: Only that "we are aware of the problem, and it is an important issue to them, but they have no answers... yet"
22:04:59 Jeffrey Gomez: I also suggest staking out Robin's office hours.
22:05:02 Esther Merryman: did you get that montelli
22:05:08 Drongle McMahon: It's the fist connected to the ear that matters.
22:05:12 Montelli Vantelli: Thank you Esther..
22:05:15 Montelli Vantelli: yes
22:05:17 Talarus Luan: Well, some ideas that are discussed have issues that Jack tends to mention
22:05:19 Esther Merryman: ok :-)
22:05:37 Jeffrey Gomez: The general feeling I get is that LL genuinely wants to fix this, but has no idea how to go about it.
22:05:42 Montelli Vantelli: OK.... well the one I presented I have not read on the blogs at all.
22:05:46 Esther Merryman: he seemed to agree that ban lines were not permitted
22:05:49 Jeffrey Gomez: Give them a good proposal and it'll go far.
22:05:51 Drongle McMahon: Are those documented?
22:05:56 Esther Merryman: on small plots
22:05:58 Timo Daehlie: tier per parcel
22:06:13 Jeffrey Gomez: Where a "good" proposal is measured by its ease of being implemented and ROI.
22:06:22 Drongle McMahon: Have we proposed no banlines on small plots?
22:06:27 Rem Nightfire: yes
22:06:28 Jeffrey Gomez: I did.
22:06:30 Esther Merryman: it is shown in the meeting log sarah nerd put on her blog
22:06:33 Jeffrey Gomez: And others have, too.
22:06:35 Talarus Luan: Almost all proposals submitted so far involve limiting parcel sizes or sales prices, or increase tier in some way
22:06:38 Drongle McMahon: good
22:06:47 Talarus Luan: Yes, we have.
22:07:04 Drongle McMahon: As a jira maybe? That we could all vote for?
22:07:16 Talarus Luan: Some of these ideas are on JIRA.
22:07:29 Esther Merryman: mine was made to be easy to impliment but i fear it may not prevent the whole problem
22:07:31 Talarus Luan: However, policy issues on JIRA are largely ignored
22:07:48 Jeffrey Gomez: JIRA is basically a forum.
22:07:50 Montelli Vantelli: That was mainly for code right?
22:07:54 Talarus Luan: JIRA is managed by the technical development team.
22:07:59 Jeffrey Gomez: Code, bugs, and policy really.
22:08:04 Hekate Galatea: It might be easier to have them forbid ban lines on for-sale properties.
22:08:07 Montelli Vantelli: Alright...
22:08:09 Jeffrey Gomez: But only in the loosest sense for the latter.
22:08:11 Talarus Luan: Policy issues are tangential to its purpose
22:08:15 Jeffrey Gomez: They've tried other ways to do it in the past.
22:08:17 Drongle McMahon: It's just anotjher avenue that we could use
22:08:21 Rem Nightfire: we just have to keep up the pressure by continuing to spread the word through the info objects and blocking the towers
22:08:24 Esther Merryman: however if jira is placed
22:08:26 Talarus Luan: Yes, it is.
22:08:27 Jeffrey Gomez: The bottom line is LL is only really listening if you get them on the spot.
22:08:35 Esther Merryman: and we direct lots of avatars
22:08:39 Esther Merryman: to the jira
22:08:51 Drongle McMahon: Good
22:08:54 Esther Merryman: lindens will see the level of support
22:09:10 Talarus Luan: However, we have put the issues and proposals for resolving them as close as we can to the Lindens, and showing up every week at Jack Linden's OH keeps it present in their minds
22:09:18 Esther Merryman: another way of getting numbers involved
22:09:32 Esther Merryman: without expecting to much time from them
22:09:36 Jeffrey Gomez: Really, LL only sees the level of support in two ways:
22:09:46 Jeffrey Gomez: Amount of lobbying for an issue, and dollar inflow.
22:09:51 Jeffrey Gomez: Treat it like politics. Because it is.
22:10:23 Jeffrey Gomez: I'd love to see warm bodies at every community team office hours meeting.
22:10:25 Hekate Galatea: Unfortunately, attention is the only practical way. The monetary impact from the ad guys is probably way bigger than the good guys.
22:10:30 Talarus Luan: The problem with proposals and voting on JIRA is that not everyone can easily navigate JIRA. It's not the most user-friendly interface. Also, specific proposals will not generate support for the problem.
22:10:42 Montelli Vantelli: Well the weighted tier idea would give them dollar inflow for a while!
22:10:44 Jeffrey Gomez: And they only have a few Lindens policing it.
22:10:49 Jeffrey Gomez: I think Jeska's one of them.
22:11:38 Talarus Luan: Thing is, they seem to be resistant to changing things where money is concerned, even if it would seemingly result in more money for them.
22:11:44 Jeffrey Gomez: ^
22:11:45 Talarus Luan: Robin Linden
22:11:48 Awenina Ethaniel: what are ban lines?
22:12:00 Rem Nightfire: cant cross them
22:12:01 Jeffrey Gomez: The status quo is important unless you can make a BIG argument in its favor.
22:12:09 Awenina Ethaniel: ah ok
22:12:20 Drongle McMahon: Red writing sayin No Entry
22:12:30 Talarus Luan: There's an example in the other side of the zoo. :)
22:12:34 Awenina Ethaniel: ok
22:12:38 Awenina Ethaniel: thanks
22:12:45 Jeffrey Gomez: Working with Lindens is quite like everything else in Silicon Valley. Cat herding skills are important.
22:13:05 Esther Merryman: my own view is LL only care if it is causing them hassle
22:13:07 Hekate Galatea: I've got 4 cats - you'd think I'd be better at it.
22:13:12 Jeffrey Gomez: I have six.
22:13:13 Talarus Luan: Honestly, the best form of presentation is to just be there in their face all the time with the issues
22:13:23 Jeffrey Gomez: Exactly.
22:13:24 Talarus Luan: and our proposals.
22:13:29 Rem Nightfire: yes
22:13:36 Drongle McMahon: I have one, but it's battery is flat.
22:13:39 Montelli Vantelli: I have one , and it tells me what to do!
22:13:46 Talarus Luan: Eventually, we will start the stone moving, and it will then move on its own.
22:13:51 Awenina Ethaniel: is there somewhere I can read the proposals?
22:14:02 Rem Nightfire: they will have to make some move in our direction eventually
22:14:04 Talarus Luan: I think we actually did see some movement as a result of this past week's meeting
22:14:11 Timo Daehlie: http://etakeh-oh.net/adless/
22:14:15 Awenina Ethaniel: thanks
22:14:33 Talarus Luan: There's a bunch of info for you, Awenina
22:14:38 Montelli Vantelli: 2). A form of entertainment which can help spread the word to the average user using the present designs and perhaps some more , but using the KISS principle.
22:15:06 Talarus Luan: Meeting agenda isn't updated, but we're following the same one. :)
22:15:30 Talarus Luan: ..and yes, the blog/website has copies of these materials as well
22:15:44 Esther Merryman: that would bne great montelli
22:15:59 Esther Merryman: but how to interest the average user
22:16:08 Drongle McMahon: Yes.... some sledgehammers and some ad towers should do...
22:16:23 Talarus Luan: OK. Let's move on to strategies and planning.
22:16:26 Montelli Vantelli: Well let us think about that.....
22:16:34 Esther Merryman: most just dance and probably rent land
22:16:44 Montelli Vantelli: they want to make money
22:16:47 Esther Merryman: so if adfarms appear theymove on
22:16:53 Montelli Vantelli: and sure dance
22:16:56 Montelli Vantelli: socialize
22:16:56 Rem Nightfire: or go up
22:17:16 Esther Merryman: i already socialize
22:17:20 Talarus Luan: Rem, Hekate, Klaatu, and others here are out there daily fighting. I still would like to get a list of where all you are working so we don't overlap.
22:17:25 Montelli Vantelli: now where would the pay out come from....
22:17:31 Montelli Vantelli: I would donate to that...
22:17:56 Rem Nightfire: i will send you a new list when i can get it complied melodie has alot of places too
22:17:58 Montelli Vantelli: Timo, for instance holds live music
22:18:16 Montelli Vantelli: we could have caping areas....
22:18:20 Montelli Vantelli: right here...
22:18:23 Talarus Luan: I am planning to start hitting the regions around my home sim ASAP, dropping notecards and meeting with landowners.
22:18:27 Montelli Vantelli: WITH the bill boards all around...
22:18:35 Montelli Vantelli: and game set up...
22:18:36 Awenina Ethaniel: some of the for sale land has making of objects enabled, I've been putting some fountains and trees on them
22:18:39 Esther Merryman: i have sent timo my plot info
22:18:43 Talarus Luan: Within a 5 sim radius of Great Pubnico
22:19:00 Montelli Vantelli: reading the boards enable you to answer the questions....
22:19:02 Rem Nightfire: does everyone have my caution sign?
22:19:04 Montelli Vantelli: thus payout..
22:19:05 Timo Daehlie: i can get a summary of each region too if there are people interested
22:19:10 Timo Daehlie: i sell them here Rem
22:19:17 Rem Nightfire: ok
22:19:25 Timo Daehlie: for 0 off course and people pick them up
22:19:35 Talarus Luan: I can't stress enough how much we need to talk directly to people and get the information and tools to them
22:19:38 Rem Nightfire: yes i was sure of that
22:19:39 Drongle McMahon: I have them
22:19:42 Hekate Galatea: I made a notecard giver this week, to hand out the Propaganda notecard.
22:19:44 Timo Daehlie: :))
22:19:48 Talarus Luan: Cool. :)
22:19:50 Montelli Vantelli: Talarus, you are right...
22:20:04 Esther Merryman: that is the key to get landowners per sim involved
22:20:19 Talarus Luan: We need to be polite, yet engaging, and try to help people understand the problem.
22:20:22 Montelli Vantelli: but most are just understanding how to create objects, or relizing what ban lines are etc...
22:20:26 Esther Merryman: without them it is just the ten or twenty of us
22:20:31 Drongle McMahon: All the poeple near adfarms I talked to have said they woulfd come here. anf some have used the signs.
22:20:34 Esther Merryman: making a fuss
22:20:39 Timo Daehlie: people coorporate ..
22:20:40 Montelli Vantelli: it is not easy.... we are not enough people
22:20:45 Timo Daehlie: for sure with this issue
22:21:11 Montelli Vantelli: What would be wrong with the camping idea?
22:21:13 Rem Nightfire: yes there are more people getting informed everyday and some of them are actively starting to fight too
22:21:16 Esther Merryman: more peple making noise will mean eventual action
22:21:19 Montelli Vantelli: along with the gaming involved?
22:21:24 Rem Nightfire: it just needs to keep growing
22:21:25 Talarus Luan: Everyone I talk to has been 100% on-board with the idea. Many will support us in their own ways, and that is great. Spread the word, spread the campaign.
22:21:38 Esther Merryman: yes me to
22:21:47 Esther Merryman: people are behind us
22:22:02 Esther Merryman: but it is when push comes to shove
22:22:10 Timo Daehlie: xerses has promised me to use the arbor plots too if needed
22:22:13 Hekate Galatea: we need them beside us - not behind us.
22:22:14 Montelli Vantelli: Well word of mouth certainly goes a long way...
22:22:16 Esther Merryman: they are not at these meetings
22:22:28 Timo Daehlie: Annie the bot can place notecardgivers on like 800 parcels withing 10 minutes
22:22:48 Talarus Luan: Probably less than 5% of the ones we meet will be willing to join us in the crusade, but that's OK. out of 1000 people, that's 50
22:22:59 Esther Merryman: we need to make they voices heard for them as i fear they are not bothered enough to make the noises by themselves
22:23:03 Timo Daehlie: if the objects are ready i know several ways to get gridwide attention within a day
22:23:06 Rem Nightfire: yes
22:23:16 Esther Merryman: how timo
22:23:17 Talarus Luan: Aye, we need to make it easy for them
22:23:30 Hekate Galatea: we love cheap and easy.
22:23:34 Jeffrey Gomez: Give the word and I'll drop the materials at YadNi's.
22:23:36 Hekate Galatea: free and easy is better.
22:23:45 Timo Daehlie: i got a bot who has a coverage in like 1000 regions
22:23:57 Timo Daehlie: can place an object on each parcel esther
22:24:02 Rem Nightfire: that would be great jeffrey
22:24:25 Jeffrey Gomez: :)
22:24:40 Esther Merryman: whos parcels though
22:25:01 Timo Daehlie: arbor mines xaraz and several other land owners and private regions owners
22:25:03 Esther Merryman: do you have those parcels
22:25:05 Timo Daehlie: yes
22:25:16 Talarus Luan: When we really get this thing rolling, we will be hitting up news organizations, like SL Reuters, with a press release.
22:25:33 Hekate Galatea: We should make a list of news orgs with a presence on SL
22:25:40 Rem Nightfire: if you go into a cut region and get a parcel or two make sure one is at the edge they are starting to try and obscure our objects
22:25:43 Talarus Luan: Yep
22:25:44 Hekate Galatea: And create a "press release"
22:25:48 Esther Merryman: cool
22:25:57 Esther Merryman: abour would be great
22:26:03 Esther Merryman: big impact
22:26:17 Timo Daehlie: arbor coorporates fully
22:26:18 Esther Merryman: and the magazines are vital
22:26:19 Montelli Vantelli: Talarus Luan I can do that now, as i have done with the land bot issue
22:26:
21 Talarus Luan: We've definitely given LL enough time to seriously consider it, so it's time to take the grass roots movement to the next level.
22:26:34 Jeffrey Gomez: Note for next Lobbying meeting: Get LL to slip an ad farmer question in with the new survey system.
22:26:37 Esther Merryman: to get the message out mainstream user wise
22:26:55 Montelli Vantelli: As a matter of fact, ...
22:27:20 Montelli Vantelli: if we are ready next weekend i can have SL Reuters here
22:27:29 Talarus Luan: I got the contact people for Reuters.
22:27:38 Talarus Luan: Cool. :)
22:27:47 Esther Merryman: they were not keen to do that though were they from the meeting with jack linden
22:27:49 Rem Nightfire: fantastic
22:27:50 Montelli Vantelli: Well, what is the hold up?
22:27:51 Hekate Galatea: PBS has an investigative journalist program here...
22:28:11 Jeffrey Gomez: Submit it to BoingBoing. :p
22:28:14 Esther Merryman: he flatly said they would not get political
22:28:29 Rem Nightfire: how a bout environmental?
22:28:30 Timo Daehlie: talarus ask xerses too for this issue
22:28:36 Timo Daehlie: he knows some ways too
22:28:44 Talarus Luan: I don't think we have a hold up, just a matter of setting it up and doing it.
22:28:59 Talarus Luan: We have the materials, we have the write-ups.
22:29:21 Talarus Luan: We have the organization
22:30:29 Hekate Galatea: Have we gotten anywhere on creating freebies that we can put our information into?
22:30:40 Talarus Luan: Yes, Jack said that LL couldn't support us like on the message of the day, or the blog or anything, because they don't have any official stance on the issue.
22:30:45 Rem Nightfire: the fountain
22:30:48 Rem Nightfire: kc's
22:31:00 Esther Merryman: my new signs to
22:31:16 Talarus Luan: Timo has some kiosks, and I have made notecard givers our of some of the AdZoo signs
22:31:24 Montelli Vantelli: I will keep Talarus and Timo informed on SL Reuters.. they ask an aweful lot of questions
22:31:26 Talarus Luan: *out of
22:31:27 Hekate Galatea: Are they things that people will want, even if they don't initially care about the cause?
22:31:34 Montelli Vantelli: ahaaha
22:31:49 Montelli Vantelli: they want money
22:31:52 Montelli Vantelli: ahahaha
22:31:55 Esther Merryman: also i ca provide some mega prim walling for free with land scape textures
22:31:57 Montelli Vantelli: sorry had to say it
22:32:00 Hekate Galatea: Ha, of course. But pretty things are good.
22:32:06 Jeffrey Gomez: Anyone know if Hamlet still listens to people?
22:32:17 Rem Nightfire: gotta watch those megas
22:32:18 Hekate Galatea: That's a good idea - megaprim screens.
22:32:24 Hekate Galatea: I'd be up for making some.
22:32:34 Esther Merryman: cool
22:32:43 Rem Nightfire: hey sleepyhead
22:32:45 Talarus Luan: Yes, let's get together all our materials here ASAP.
22:32:48 Hekate Galatea: we could do it both ways, a megaprim version and a regular modular version
22:32:50 Drongle McMahon: Make a treasure hunt with clues hidden in the propaganda?
22:32:52 Montelli Vantelli: So megaprims are not a LL concern at all?
22:32:56 Jeffrey Gomez: I Love Bees.
22:33:00 Talarus Luan: They are, to an extent
22:33:08 Klaatu Congrejo: Sorry folks. Overslept.
22:33:12 Talarus Luan: It all depends on how they are used.
22:33:19 Esther Merryman: they dont seem to worry about them
22:33:20 Rem Nightfire: they are real touchy especially in small areas
22:33:25 Talarus Luan: The primary issue is obstruction and encroachment
22:33:38 Talarus Luan: If you do something like this..
22:33:49 Esther Merryman: as long as people dont place a huge one over the whole sim or others property
22:34:20 Talarus Luan: That's my standard adtower encasement
22:34:30 Montelli Vantelli: I say we all stroll around in our B-day avatar pixals holding ad-zoo bill boards at highly populated places.... that will gather attention!
22:34:36 Rem Nightfire: yes its so much fun too
22:34:51 Esther Merryman: many builders are using them now in sold products
22:34:57 Rem Nightfire: the ad tower encasement not the naked walking around
22:35:09 Montelli Vantelli: hahahahahahahaah
22:35:13 Esther Merryman: so mega prims are now integrated in many builds
22:35:56 Esther Merryman: you could hold them low over you unmetionables
22:36:02 Talarus Luan: The encasement is phantom, does not encroach, as long as you own the land all around the hole, and is transparent on the inside
22:36:10 Esther Merryman: lol
22:36:13 Rem Nightfire: yes
22:36:19 Hekate Galatea: Someone good at clothing could make us shirts or something to where.
22:36:21 Talarus Luan: So, it follows all the rules.
22:36:22 Hekate Galatea: wear.
22:36:31 Montelli Vantelli: Well I can do that...
22:36:37 Esther Merryman: yes that is a possibility
22:36:45 Esther Merryman: freebie shirts
22:36:51 Esther Merryman: with logos
22:36:57 Montelli Vantelli: matter of fact I have the textures from the ad-zoo box
22:37:01 Rem Nightfire: with 8 or so small plots in an ad farm you can pretty much contain most ads
22:37:11 Hekate Galatea: what do they call that, when a group just suddenly appears in a club or something? there's a term for it.
22:37:14 Esther Merryman: spit on an adfarmer
22:37:22 Talarus Luan: Oh, and when you place it, leave it a few meters above the land, so that you can't get ganked for preventing access to the land surface.
22:37:28 Talarus Luan: Crashing
22:37:38 Montelli Vantelli: oh oh streaking??
22:37:42 Rem Nightfire: phantom takes care of that
22:37:44 Hekate Galatea: no...haha
22:37:49 Montelli Vantelli: sorry, honestly I will be quiet now
22:38:02 Esther Merryman: hatchy raiding
22:38:11 Talarus Luan: Well, the main thing is preventing them from right-clicking on their parcel to get the parcel menu
22:38:16 Talarus Luan: *dialog
22:38:
21 Rem Nightfire: ah
22:38:45 Talarus Luan: So, if you leave it just above the land, it takes care of that.
22:38:56 Talarus Luan: So far, I have used it on Robo and Kalyrra
22:39:01 Rem Nightfire: yes most are up anyway
22:39:31 Rem Nightfire: kc developed a box we call the kalyra condom
22:39:39 Timo Daehlie: lol
22:39:51 Talarus Luan: Hehe
22:39:52 Esther Merryman: kalyrra is the one i would really like to see go
22:39:58 Timo Daehlie: she recently bought a parcel at Bay Area
22:40:06 Talarus Luan: Bay City?
22:40:09 Timo Daehlie: probably with extortion L$
22:40:11 Timo Daehlie: yeah
22:40:16 Talarus Luan: Oh, definitely
22:40:20 Esther Merryman: yes and put it up for sale
22:40:25 Timo Daehlie: and ironically xerses is her neighbour
22:40:26 Esther Merryman: saw on the net
22:40:27 Timo Daehlie: lol
22:40:41 Montelli Vantelli: ahahahah
22:41:19 Timo Daehlie: her parcel is for sale now for 90k or something
22:41:49 Esther Merryman: i just hope noone buys it
22:42:11 Timo Daehlie: wont put my money on it
22:42:13 Esther Merryman: how do people not realise what a witch she is
22:42:24 Talarus Luan: OK. Let's finish up the topic of strategy. I think we all have a good idea of what we need to do. We really need to get out there now and start meeting people. Also need to start poking people and getting them here, or at least more involved.
22:42:46 Esther Merryman: how does she maintain her business interests
22:43:03 Hekate Galatea: Djin works - or he'd be here. He's put up a valiant fight in bowfin.
22:43:06 Timo Daehlie: xxx mall and small plots
22:43:11 Talarus Luan: I am also staying active in the forums, and every thread that mentions land extortion will get a link to our website. Already have several people who have mentioned support.
22:43:17 Esther Merryman: she has an island and all the small plots
22:43:
21 Esther Merryman: how does she cover the tier
22:43:27 Drongle McMahon: An adfarm in ay city would get action ... maybe we should make one!
22:43:34 Esther Merryman: i wouldnt buy from her
22:43:36 Drongle McMahon: *Bay
22:43:37 Rem Nightfire: ha
22:43:37 Filbert Holmer: ouch!
22:43:42 Jeffrey Gomez: Heh.
22:43:48 Timo Daehlie: i think llc wont allow that
22:43:50 Jeffrey Gomez: Perhaps just a simple demonstration.
22:44:07 Jeffrey Gomez: I have just the thing.
22:44:09 Talarus Luan: Aren't there already ads in Bay City?
22:44:11 Timo Daehlie: in Fermans Haven they once ended an adfarm on their own
22:44:15 Esther Merryman: i read it was due to become one big adfarm
22:44:25 Esther Merryman: on the net
22:44:26 Rem Nightfire: that ad sewage treatment plant would be a great display item for the celebration
22:44:38 Drongle McMahon: Theres someone with a junkyard there ... maybe they would lend it
22:44:55 Talarus Luan: I thought about submitting an application for a SL5B attraction..
22:45:01 Esther Merryman: type adfarm see what comes up under search
22:45:24 Talarus Luan: An Ad Zoo attraction, where we show the rest of the grid the very worst of the worst
22:45:34 Esther Merryman: then type kalyrra its quite enlightening
22:46:03 Talarus Luan: Yes, we have suspicions that Kalyrra is probably very close to Austin Hallard in Rl
22:46:07 Talarus Luan: RL
22:46:12 Rem Nightfire: ooooo
22:46:14 Talarus Luan: If not the same person.
22:46:20 Esther Merryman: probably is austin hallard
22:46:
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22 Shan: hallo all
22:46:25 Esther Merryman: lol
22:46:30 Timo Daehlie: hello kiribasi ;)
22:46:37 Esther Merryman: did i tell you what they did to me
22:46:42 Timo Daehlie: man of the eve lol
22:46:51 Esther Merryman: austin had plot for 9995l
22:47:04 Rem Nightfire: lovely
22:47:08 kiribasi
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22 Shan: you are playing a game ?
22:47:10 Esther Merryman: so i imed him and offered a more reasonable price
22:47:16 Timo Daehlie: austin has 110.000 m2 with small plots
22:47:25 Talarus Luan: ..at least
22:47:29 Esther Merryman: next day the plot belonged to kalyrra with a tower on it
22:47:33 Talarus Luan: Yep
22:47:43 Talarus Luan: That is what happened to me recently.
22:47:45 Timo Daehlie: 58,208 2,938 5,707,120 98.0 (Primlands) Austin Hallard 57,760 2,553 4,307,477 75.0 (Primlands Supply 1) Austin Hallard
22:47:50 Montelli Vantelli: weighted tier fee heh heh heh
22:47:51 Rem Nightfire: anyone heard of racerX wylie?
22:48:09 Esther Merryman: they are the reason i am involved in this
22:48:13 Timo Daehlie: 58208m2 + 57760m2
22:48:25 Jeffrey Gomez: Just RacerX Gullwing.
22:48:35 Talarus Luan: I went on one of my anti-adfarm tirades in the forums, and the next day, I had two Kalyrra towers right next to my mall, within 40m of each other, on ex-Primlands 16s
22:48:41 Hekate Galatea: never heard of it.
22:48:43 Esther Merryman: if it were not for them i would never have realised how bad this problem is
22:48:57 Drongle McMahon: Surely that is the evidence we can get them with?
22:48:59 Montelli Vantelli: Well Cheer up Esther, Austin did the same on my land
22:49:09 Rem Nightfire: well this guy is blocking my signs on former primlands plots which are still at the signature 1495 price
22:49:13 Montelli Vantelli: also goes by Maxx Arkin
22:49:29 Hekate Galatea: that name I know.
22:49:30 Talarus Luan: It is why I know they are very close, because she converted it from Primlands to her land in a very short time frame
22:49:34 Montelli Vantelli: Maxx Arkin does the 1495
22:49:36 Esther Merryman: so maybe they are getting to greedy and doing us a favour in the long term
22:49:41 Talarus Luan: Maxx Arkin claims he is not Austin Hallard
22:49:48 Montelli Vantelli: later it gets handed over to the Austin Hallard one
22:49:50 Timo Daehlie: he is ;)
22:49:51 Talarus Luan: I talked to him directly.
22:49:52 Rem Nightfire: ah ok one of them
22:49:55 Timo Daehlie: and he has a 3rd alt
22:49:57 Talarus Luan: Yeah, I know.
22:50:05 Talarus Luan: He *claims* he isn;t
22:50:14 Esther Merryman: the more they do the more dislike they create
22:50:
22 Montelli Vantelli: I watched it happen in Pennycat and Knot
22:50:32 Esther Merryman: yes definetly has a third alt
22:50:38 Hekate Galatea: I remember pennycat.
22:50:42 Talarus Luan: Well, I think Kalyrra is feeling the heat of being associated with them
22:50:51 Montelli Vantelli: Yes, you were kind enough to sell me your plots
22:51:01 Esther Merryman: one that doesnt sell land
22:51:04 Talarus Luan: A couple weeks ago, she dumped all but one of the 16s next to my mall
22:51:11 Montelli Vantelli: Umnik was forced to release them
22:51:13 Talarus Luan: and her two towers are gone.
22:51:
21 Esther Merryman: as i saw him and unfortunately cannot remember the name
22:51:
23 Montelli Vantelli: and the needles folks just left on their own
22:51:37 Esther Merryman: but it doesnt appear on any of the plots
22:51:40 Hekate Galatea: I never understood the needles
22:51:57 Esther Merryman: so he uses the alt to sneak around i think
22:52:00 Timo Daehlie: needles are ok now
22:52:18 Timo Daehlie: they were only short at the scene but the quit their business very soon
22:52:39 Montelli Vantelli: the needles wa a apin in the butt with that damn automated notecard giver for something
22:52:43 Timo Daehlie: Lucinda Bulloch the owner has 16 private island and will promote our works too
22:52:48 Esther Merryman: her towers are removed from pg land
22:53:01 Esther Merryman: as i ar them as indecent
22:53:02 Montelli Vantelli: Lucinda Needle
22:53:04 Esther Merryman: lol
22:53:04 Montelli Vantelli: yes
22:53:07 Montelli Vantelli: that was the one
22:53:12 Esther Merryman: when i see them
22:53:16 Timo Daehlie: she was new to the game and not aware that is was irritating residents
22:53:20 Timo Daehlie: but she is ok
22:53:36 Montelli Vantelli: hahahahah she knew
22:54:06 Montelli Vantelli: that is good she is working with us though
22:54:16 Esther Merryman: pg land alot of adfarmers are vulnerable in
22:54:19 Hekate Galatea: yeah. better with us than non.
22:54:
21 Timo Daehlie: 16 private is a good coverage
22:54:
23 Talarus Luan: Alright. We're coming up on our 2 hour mark here. :) Do we have any other pressing business that we need to discuss before the meeting is up?
22:54:50 Esther Merryman: anything with nudity or XXX even the word sex LL seems to be acting on
22:55:05 Esther Merryman: i alwaysd ar them when i see them
22:55:07 Hekate Galatea: I wanted to let everyone know, I'm adding a gallery to the blog. Anyone who registers will be able to post pictures of anything they feel is related to this.
22:55:14 Montelli Vantelli: b-day pixals, i tell ya...
22:55:18 Esther Merryman: cool
22:55:25 Rem Nightfire: good
22:55:27 Hekate Galatea: also, feel free to post on the blog. I'm putting in a category for "horror stories"
22:55:31 Drongle McMahon: which blog?
22:55:40 Esther Merryman: i registers hekate but havent posted anything yet
22:55:43 Hekate Galatea: the etakeh-oh.net/adless one
22:56:06 Esther Merryman: also launch a new website of my own developsl.com
22:56:14 Hekate Galatea: I want people involved to feel like they can contribute there.
22:56:16 Drongle McMahon: oh yes ... i am stupid ,,,, can't read backwards!
22:56:18 Talarus Luan: http://etakeh-oh.net/adless/
22:56:26 Esther Merryman: but it is a bit plain at the minute
22:56:27 Hekate Galatea: etakeh oh is also my other avatar on SL
22:56:37 Hekate Galatea: he doesn't get around much.
22:56:38 Timo Daehlie: oh
22:56:41 Hekate Galatea: oh.
22:56:42 Montelli Vantelli: ahahahaa
22:56:50 Esther Merryman: as i havent had the time to spend on it
22:56:51 Montelli Vantelli: you folks are killin me here...
22:56:53 Timo Daehlie: :)
22:56:55 Montelli Vantelli: ahahaahaha
22:57:59 Hekate Galatea: I've put up some pictures that timo gave me, showing what we're up against.
22:58:17 Hekate Galatea: I'll put them in the new gallery today, to get things rolling
22:58:40 Talarus Luan: I think the main focus right now is getting the word out. Spread it as far and as wide as possible. Get out, meet the neighbors, show them the efforts, take them on a little tour to the local adfarm.
22:58:48 Timo Daehlie: i ll give you the link of this meeting later on too hekate
22:59:00 Hekate Galatea: great.
22:59:13 Awenina Ethaniel: thanks for all the information, it's been illuminating!
22:59:
23 Timo Daehlie: :))
22:59:24 Hekate Galatea: If anyone has a website they'd like added to the link list on the blog, send it my way and I'll add it.
22:59:30 Montelli Vantelli: And that word would be nbot to purchase the high priced 16 sq m of land
22:59:33 Hekate Galatea: also I could do a list of SLurls.
22:59:35 Talarus Luan: We really need to get the materials together to get to Arbor Project and other larger distribution points.
22:59:39 Rem Nightfire: good keep doing what were doing remember this big , recent push is still less than a month old
22:59:42 Montelli Vantelli: not rather
22:59:43 Drongle McMahon: Can we put teleporters in bthe fountains to connect up an adfarm tour?
22:59:58 Awenina Ethaniel: that would be cool
23:00:06 Hekate Galatea: very cool.
23:00:11 Talarus Luan: "AdFarm Ring"
23:00:
23 Talarus Luan: I have a landmark teleporter script
23:00:28 Drongle McMahon: Exactly ...that' the name for it
23:00:41 Talarus Luan: Drop the script in, drop in a landmark, and when you touch it, you get a map-teleport
23:00:44 Awenina Ethaniel: how do we add it to the fountain?
23:00:56 Filbert Holmer: Thats not hard
23:01:02 Awenina Ethaniel: k
23:01:09 Rem Nightfire: ive got a few parks that show what you can do with an ad farm
23:01:24 Rem Nightfire: and so do kc and melodie
23:01:29 Drongle McMahon: Yes ... include them too.
23:02:
22 Awenina Ethaniel: I took the parks tour because I thought it was a parks tour, and the infon in each educated me about the problem.
23:02:34 Rem Nightfire: great
23:02:40 Montelli Vantelli: Hey folks, I have to cut this short.... It has been a good meeting, I shall keep Timo and Talarus posted as to the meeting with an SL Reuters reporter.
23:02:45 Awenina Ethaniel: only been playing 3 days
23:02:48 Esther Merryman: lol
23:02:55 Hekate Galatea: So, my goal before the next meeting is to have a set of megaprim screens to give away.
23:03:02 Esther Merryman: thats the problem sl is very absorbing
23:03:03 Timo Daehlie: monti talk to you later ;)
23:03:04 Klaatu Congrejo: Drongle, the fountains atm at 3prims. just enough to fit on a 16m plot. But is possible to do that for larger plots - turn the fountain into a teleporter I mean.
23:03:10 Esther Merryman: lol
23:03:26 Drongle McMahon: If it's just a script ....
23:03:37 Jeffrey Gomez: Make sure the part of those screens facing the ad land tells them just how much we love them
23:03:42 Awenina Ethaniel: so the idea of tours is good for new ppl
23:03:46 Montelli Vantelli: ciao for now.
23:03:54 Drongle McMahon: Sorry ... I don't really know how teleporters work
23:04:02 Klaatu Congrejo: Ahh, yes Drongle. Yr right. Sorry, still waking up and not thinking straight atm.
23:04:07 Esther Merryman: bye montelli
23:04:08 Rem Nightfire: thank you awenina that is good to know
23:04:10 Drongle McMahon: Bye Monty
23:04:20 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes, I got a couple teleporter scripts I could use. I'll work on that and get back to you.
23:04:28 Talarus Luan: Anyway.. I can find it.. my inventory is a mess atm from all the Mall work I have been doing.
23:04:48 Timo Daehlie: i know some creative solutions too on the grid
23:05:00 Esther Merryman: its good for new comers to take an interest in things awenina
23:05:06 Timo Daehlie: i can ask the owners if its ok they get tourirsts to look at them towers
23:05:09 Esther Merryman: :-#))
23:05:20 Rem Nightfire: a parks tour card would be great to have available at orientation island
23:05:30 Talarus Luan: But it is basically just drop a landmark in and it puts the landmark name in above the object in hovertext, and calls llMapDestination when touched
23:05:36 Awenina Ethaniel: yes Rem, that would be perfect
23:06:00 Talarus Luan: Definitely a worthy project.
23:06:11 Klaatu Congrejo: I got a Directory of our Parks, available thru the fountains.
23:06:14 Klaatu Congrejo: Updated monthly.
23:06:44 Rem Nightfire: how do you go about making something like that available at orientation island?
23:06:57 Talarus Luan: Lindens
23:07:05 Esther Merryman: get a metor involved
23:07:07 Rem Nightfire: next meeting?
23:07:08 Talarus Luan: Not likely to happen
23:07:13 Esther Merryman: mentor
23:07:15 Esther Merryman: ?
23:07:
23 Timo Daehlie: kyrion is a mentor
23:07:25 Timo Daehlie: tal too
23:07:26 Klaatu Congrejo: Would Lindens let us put a fountain there?
23:07:28 Rem Nightfire: then at NCI perhaps?
23:07:36 Kyrion Yalin: i m a mentor
23:07:38 Timo Daehlie: hehehe
23:07:40 Talarus Luan: You might get Mentors to give it out, but I think the Lindens tightly regulate what can be rezzed at OI
23:07:44 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes Rem, I must talk to NCI about that too.
23:07:46 Timo Daehlie: or was it student ?
23:07:48 Talarus Luan: NCI and the Shelter, definitely
23:07:55 Kyrion Yalin: and i was talking to another today
23:08:19 Klaatu Congrejo: And non-profit Commons land might be supportive.
23:08:33 Klaatu Congrejo: And Commonwealth.
23:09:03 Esther Merryman: building sites?
23:09:
23 Esther Merryman: i know it means approching owners directly
23:09:25 Esther Merryman: i know it means approching owners directly
23:09:27 Rem Nightfire: the parks tour is perfect it allows any level of involvement to follow
23:09:29 Klaatu Congrejo: Important to have the information at high traffic areas. I'll talk to some of the Freebie places, YadNi would help I'm sure.
23:09:36 Rem Nightfire: yes
23:09:41 Esther Merryman: but worth a try
23:09:51 Talarus Luan: Aye, Jeffrey can get us in with YadNi
23:09:56 Jeffrey Gomez: Yep.
23:10:02 Klaatu Congrejo: Cool Jeffrey.
23:10:08 Esther Merryman: most people who build will buy land
23:10:30 Esther Merryman: so its worth giving them info
23:11:03 Awenina Ethaniel: wear an Ad Zoo "egg" on high traffic areas, with a bikini on
23:11:34 Awenina Ethaniel: lol
23:11:41 Tal Chernov: /me pokes the dragon
23:11:42 Rem Nightfire: haha
23:11:48 Hekate Galatea: any word on Atsushi06 Mopp? That's who I got some L70 16's from
23:11:55 Talarus Luan: OK. Let's wrap up and talk about what we need to get together for next meeting. Let's get a presentation together for the media. Schedule to have a little bazaar of our works on display, and put together any remaining materials and builds we can.
23:12:04 Timo Daehlie: he is bad
23:12:05 Rem Nightfire: melodie has talked to him
23:12:06 Timo Daehlie: new cuttr on the scene
23:12:10 Hekate Galatea: ah, ok.
23:12:15 Hekate Galatea: I'll keep that in mind.
23:12:27 Hekate Galatea: the other one was...*rm*
23:12:35 rm Sirbu: eh
23:12:40 Rem Nightfire: rn
23:12:41 Timo Daehlie: hahaha
23:12:42 Timo Daehlie: rn ?
23:12:46 Timo Daehlie: Footman
23:12:47 Hekate Galatea: maybe...
23:12:54 Rem Nightfire: yes thas prince
23:12:55 Talarus Luan: *RN* is Rvu Naglo
23:12:57 Esther Merryman: yes seen that one
23:13:08 Esther Merryman: rn
23:13:17 Talarus Luan: ***N*** is Deny Vendetta, another alt of same
23:13:19 Hekate Galatea: * RN *
23:13:28 Esther Merryman: cutting up lots
23:13:42 Timo Daehlie: Prince Rosenbaum DeniDeni Boa - DeniDeny Boa
23:13:49 Hekate Galatea: ok....hmm.
23:13:51 Talarus Luan: Denideny Boa / Rvu Naglo / Rn Footman /
23:13:56 Talarus Luan: You get the idea. ;)
23:14:06 Hekate Galatea: well, I'm afraid the land I bought there doesn't look very pretty now.
23:14:09 Rem Nightfire: he likes the letter N
23:14:10 Hekate Galatea: I put in my dead nutria.
23:14:13 Esther Merryman: bad ass then
23:14:30 Talarus Luan: Yes, very bad
23:14:54 Klaatu Congrejo: Just think *N* for 'nasty'
23:14:55 [Cryptid Computer Cola Machine - Public]: Machine is in use by rm Sirbu
23:15:06 Hekate Galatea: "numbnuts"
23:15:09 Hekate Galatea: "nimrod"
23:15:11 Klaatu Congrejo: Ha!
23:15:17 Hekate Galatea: "nincompoop"
23:15:18 [Cryptid Computer Cola Machine - Public]: Here's your can of Poison Flavored Soda, enjoy!
23:15:29 Talarus Luan: nitwit
23:15:31 Esther Merryman: or p for prick
23:15:32 Hekate Galatea: yes.
23:15:33 Drongle McMahon: nasturtium
23:15:39 Rem Nightfire: okeee
23:16:00 Talarus Luan: Alright.. any last comments or questions before I close the log?
23:16:04 Esther Merryman: or nob
23:16:06 Tal Chernov: deez nutz
23:16:07 Rem Nightfire: haha
23:16:13 Esther Merryman: oopps that should be KNOB shouldnt it
23:16:21 Esther Merryman: lol
23:16:25 Hekate Galatea: we're reverting to middle schoolers....
23:16:35 Klaatu Congrejo: Ha ha, thanks for that Tal.
23:16:37 Jeffrey Gomez: Where's my paper aeroplane?
23:16:41 Tal Chernov: np
23:16:42 Talarus Luan: Yes, that is why I enforce the two-hour limit on meetings. :P
23:16:50 Hekate Galatea: good thinking.
23:16:57 Esther Merryman: we not being recorded now
23:16:59 Talarus Luan: After two hours, people lose focus and enter silly mode. :P
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