21:10:02 Talarus Luan: Alright, let's get started. :)
21:10:03 Montelli Vantelli: Lishious, there is a spot next to Klaatu
21:10:13 Lishous Winx: thankyou
21:10:17 Montelli Vantelli: sure
21:10:28 Talarus Luan: I must say it has been a busy, interesting week for many of us on our war front.
21:11:14 Talarus Luan: We've had a big discussion / debate in the community forums, though mostly with the "reformers", TAG and the owner of the Mainostaulu ad network.
21:11:20 Montelli Vantelli: It has been busy for our dear land cutters too
21:11:47 Talarus Luan: http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=265503
21:11:53 Talarus Luan: Yes, well, we know they never sleep
21:12:04 Cane Janick: lol
21:12:38 Talarus Luan: If there is a Linden dollar to be chased somewhere on the grid related to small plots, you can bet that they are tirelessly pursuing it.
21:13:31 Talarus Luan: We also had a good little discussion with TAG at Jack Linden's Office Hours this past week. It parallels the forum thread quite a bit.
21:14:24 Talarus Luan: Unforuntately, on the major land extortionist front, the only thing I have to report is some more suspensions / bannings on the blotter.
21:14:34 Klaatu Congrejo: Talarus, can you tell us a bit more about TAG and what they do?
21:14:39 Talarus Luan: Certainly.
21:15:53 Talarus Luan: TAG - "The Advertiser's Guild" is a group of 4 (presently) "advertising companies" in SL that banded together back a few months ago, in an attempt to legitimize the use of small plots with large outdoor billboard advertising on them.
21:16:57 Talarus Luan: Ancient Shriner, Chrischun Fassbinder, GnuSense Shepherd, and Valkyrie Eclipse. unfortunately, many of us also know these names as people who have played the land extortionist / adfarming game for the last couple years prior to them starting their initiative.
21:17:52 Talarus Luan: They DESPERATELY want to distance themselves from the land extortionists, like Primlands/Austin Hallard, Robo Marx, Cytherea Eagle, etc.
21:18:11 Timo Daehlie: they want a monopoly ?
21:18:21 Rem Nightfire: and have a corner on the ad tower market
21:18:25 Rem Nightfire: yes
21:18:49 Talarus Luan: So, they have been spending the last couple of months campaigning LL to give them some way to drive the other adfarmers away and establish them as legitimate advertisers.
21:19:05 Talarus Luan: They are proponents of land zoning.
21:19:24 Klaatu Congrejo: So they are playing both sides of the fence?
21:19:30 Talarus Luan: The problem is that any zoning policy the Lindens have been thinking of right now is ONLY for new mainland.
21:19:34 Rem Nightfire: trying to
21:19:43 Esther Merryman: Legitimate business is ok
21:19:54 Klaatu Congrejo: They supporting us on land zoning, but want a monolopy in return. So ... thats the deal on the table I guess.
21:20:07 Esther Merryman: if they are acting responsibly following clear guidelines
21:20:11 Talarus Luan: Yes, well, you can go to their website at http://www.theadvertisersguild.com and see for yourself what they have to say about themselves.
21:20:26 Rem Nightfire: and they give anti extortionist and anti landcutting lip service too
21:20:30 Timo Daehlie: read the ethycs .. the most "funny"part
21:20:38 Klaatu Congrejo: What we need to do, imo, is to show they ARE intrinsically linked to all other adfarmers anyway. And they can't claim to be any different from them.
21:21:00 Timo Daehlie: agreed
21:21:31 Talarus Luan: The problem is that, as much as they claim to be on the "up" side, their members still practice the same old tricks. GnuSense owns the "TinyPlots" group, which is basically a wannabee Primlands.
21:21:38 Kaeru Yosuke: the pics they put are self explanatory....
21:22:01 Esther Merryman: If they advertise reasonably and create a viable business that can act in sl what is the problem
21:22:11 Montelli Vantelli: ahahahaha yes especially the display where it says "ad-farms in action"
21:22:13 Talarus Luan: You can look outside the Zoo here and find his plot(s).
21:22:16 Esther Merryman: yes but that must be stopped
21:22:23 Montelli Vantelli: I mean "Advertisements in Action"
21:22:30 Esther Merryman: as being against tos
21:22:35 Rem Nightfire: they are fakes
21:22:36 Hekate Galatea: AA. how apropriate.
21:23:00 Klaatu Congrejo: Well, Esther when they are advertising on extortionaly priced land, that is just abusive.
21:23:03 Rem Nightfire: no better than any other farmer, small plot extortionist
21:23:07 Talarus Luan: Thing is, some of what we are about is also against outdoor spam advertising.
21:23:41 Esther Merryman: that is not a problem if not made huge
21:23:45 Talarus Luan: It is inextricably linked in many ways to the land extortionists issues.
21:23:55 Rem Nightfire: absolutely
21:24:00 Hekate Galatea: This is where I am trying to be careful - it's a fine line between what we do, with putting out information, and what they do with spamming with ads.
21:24:05 Esther Merryman: for the sake of HARASSMENT
21:24:31 Rem Nightfire: high priced 16 m plots are harassment esther
21:24:50 Lishous Winx: yes that is true there is a fine line
21:25:05 Esther Merryman: tyhere has to be guidelines
21:25:14 Esther Merryman: i set out my proposal
21:25:28 Kaeru Yosuke: yesterday a resident told me that it was "horrible" to put caution signs, fountains and such on small plots. He said we were doing the same thing as the ones we fight...
21:25:34 Esther Merryman: it is to allow advertising
21:25:51 Timo Daehlie: thats only one out a million kaery i think
21:25:54 Esther Merryman: but only following strict guidelines
21:26:13 Rem Nightfire: for every one of those comments, i get 10 positive ones and no one has ever complained to me
21:26:15 Hekate Galatea: Do you have a notecard or something of your proposal, Esther?
21:26:22 Lishous Winx: guidelines make sence so everyone understands
21:26:25 Kaeru Yosuke: I think that also but it made me think about the issue
21:26:31 Klaatu Congrejo: I always advocate caution signs and fountains be put on plots where there are already lots of adfarms. They are there to inform ppl there are others in SL who support the fight against them.
21:26:37 Esther Merryman: i sent it round two weeks ago
21:26:50 Talarus Luan: It's OK. I have a personal crusade against outdoor spam advertising in general, and I understand that we are using the same, but we aren't using it to profit for ourselves, but as a public service for every mainland land owner, so I can be against outdoor spam advertising in principle, and still support our use of informative "advertising" of our cause.
21:27:05 Klaatu Congrejo: I DO NOT support putting our objects close to shops, homes, etc.
21:27:08 Cane Janick: well I missed it I would like to see it
21:27:09 Timo Daehlie: i mostly place them along with a plant or tree that makes it even nicer
21:27:21 Rem Nightfire: yes you have to be conscious of the scripts imposing on people
21:27:52 Rem Nightfire: anyone builds close or asks, i move them away
21:28:06 Talarus Luan: Don't think for a second that what we are doing isn't supported by the vast majority of mainland residents who have even an inkling of the issue.
21:28:12 Rem Nightfire: yes
21:28:36 Talarus Luan: If someone owns land on the mainland for more than a very short time, they understand what the deal is, and wildly support us
21:29:01 Cane Janick: yes but we allienate ourselves from those who are indifferent
21:29:10 Klaatu Congrejo: And that brings up a point I'd like to talk about Talarus...
21:29:13 Esther Merryman: i support everything
21:29:18 Esther Merryman: but we are not any better than them
21:29:33 Esther Merryman: we have ban lines up all over the place
21:29:45 Lishous Winx: we all have a message to say
21:29:56 Talarus Luan: Well, with regard to assaulting my neighbors and trying to extort from them, I can safely say that we are better.
21:30:01 Esther Merryman: i have put my plots up for sale at prices ranging from 249 to 399
21:30:08 Lishous Winx: its the respect for each other that needs to be addressed
21:30:11 Esther Merryman: showing in search
21:30:13 Talarus Luan: We have banlines up for the bad guys, yes
21:30:15 Rem Nightfire: please explain that rationale esther
21:30:26 Drongle McMahon: In the forum, Klaatu and/or Rem were accused of being extortionists..... because of the buy access lines.
21:30:31 Esther Merryman: i did last week
21:30:33 Klaatu Congrejo: What is the feeling in LL (Jack Linden in particular) to the suggestion of having a poll of all SL residents. Ask them whether they wants adfarms or not, adtowers or not.
21:30:40 Esther Merryman: it shows up in the search
21:30:47 Esther Merryman: pages after page
21:30:59 Esther Merryman: of Adfarms ruin sims texture
21:31:23 Rem Nightfire: haha well thats cute, but anyone who thinks about it for just a little wont see it that way
21:31:27 Talarus Luan: Klaatu-> I mentioned that in Jack's Office Hours last week, asking him, but it got drowned out from the din of TAG vs everyone.
21:31:31 Hekate Galatea: I'm curious, do any of those plots sell
21:31:45 Esther Merryman: if you put it at a price above two times base
21:31:59 Esther Merryman: it stops the adfarmers buying it back from you
21:32:05 Rem Nightfire: thats what the extortionists do esther!!!!
21:32:08 Hekate Galatea: yes, but anyone else buying?
21:32:11 Esther Merryman: actually two have sold
21:32:20 Talarus Luan: Some will sell.
21:32:32 Talarus Luan: People who don't know any better will buy them
21:32:42 Talarus Luan: Dr Destiny, Dr Andel, for example
21:32:47 Klaatu Congrejo: Esther, for the benefit of the many here who did'nt receive your information. Can you explain why you are selling overpriced lands?
21:33:00 Esther Merryman: but i would happily pay that myself in my home sim
21:33:24 Esther Merryman: if kalyrra would offer a sensible price
21:33:38 Esther Merryman: i am not selling them
21:33:58 Esther Merryman: i am using the search to advertise i am against adfarming
21:34:00 Rem Nightfire: neither is austin hallard except once or twice
21:34:12 Esther Merryman: he sells for 9995l
21:34:14 Talarus Luan: Kalyrra rarely sells out.. she just moves them back under Primlands when she takes down her towers.
21:34:18 Esther Merryman: 16sqm
21:34:20 Rem Nightfire: you are doing the same thing as he is
21:34:29 Esther Merryman: no i am not
21:34:42 Esther Merryman: as i give my plots away for free
21:34:46 Klaatu Congrejo: Really Esther? I seen many of your 16s around the grid up for sale at 249, 349, et.
21:34:51 Rem Nightfire: set at 349?
21:34:58 Esther Merryman: yes
21:35:02 Esther Merryman: 249
21:35:05 Esther Merryman: 299
21:35:07 Esther Merryman: 349
21:35:09 Rem Nightfire: thats more than seth sass nowadays
21:35:11 Esther Merryman: 399
21:35:44 Esther Merryman: it gets a message out
21:35:49 Klaatu Congrejo: But dont you understand, thats extortion Esther? Its what we are supposed to be fighting against.
21:35:53 Talarus Luan: I am not sure of the viability of advertising the cause in the land search tool. It would seem to be a potential lightning rod.
21:36:00 Rem Nightfire: what message that we are extortionists too?
21:36:05 Esther Merryman: no it isnt extorsion
21:36:14 Esther Merryman: if someone talks to me
21:36:34 Esther Merryman: i will let them have the land
21:36:36 Rem Nightfire: i give up
21:36:46 Talarus Luan: Well, do you make that clear?
21:36:51 Esther Merryman: and have
21:37:04 Esther Merryman: i started to
21:37:07 Talarus Luan: IE, is it part of the land description that you will give the land away to anyone who asks?
21:37:11 Klaatu Congrejo: OK. So you will let ppl have the land if they just ask you? Then why put it up for sale at extortionate prices?
21:37:20 Hekate Galatea: To show in the search.
21:37:28 Rem Nightfire: ok i would like those 3 plots in fahzilla would you give them to me to add to the 20 or so i already had there?
21:37:36 Esther Merryman: to advertise the cause
21:37:43 Esther Merryman: read the log from last week
21:37:55 Esther Merryman: yes
21:38:08 Esther Merryman: you are welcome to them
21:38:13 Rem Nightfire: ok i just question this strategy
21:38:24 Klaatu Congrejo: I do too Esther.
21:38:32 Esther Merryman: i think we should all be doing it
21:38:42 Esther Merryman: to get people to see the land
21:38:46 Esther Merryman: on all plots
21:38:50 Kyrion Yalin: the question is, does anyone who is here want you to advertise this way, Esther?
21:38:53 Talarus Luan: I think I understand, but I think you will also have to agree it does seem a little like we're using the same practice as our enemies. :) At least on the surface.
21:38:59 Esther Merryman: not just 16sq
21:39:01 Hekate Galatea: I'm more interested in showing the land to immediate neighbors.
21:39:03 Kyrion Yalin: have you asked?
21:39:05 Esther Merryman: you all sell land
21:39:20 Esther Merryman: put the slogan out with your land sales
21:39:22 Talarus Luan: yes, I agree, neighbors are the most important. The people that happen by.
21:39:28 Esther Merryman: and more people see it
21:39:50 Hekate Galatea: That is why I do the installations. Something somewhat attractive with information attached.
21:40:03 Kaeru Yosuke: well when we buy 16 sqm parcels aren't us helping enemy too?
21:40:06 Talarus Luan: That's why I am a tad dubious of the use of land search to advertise. I don't really know if it works as well as the direct approach.
21:40:14 Kaeru Yosuke: even if it's for a good purpose like spreading the word
21:40:16 Esther Merryman: but people dont always see the land
21:40:19 Drongle McMahon: Afraid I agree with Rem and Klaatu on this one.....but not on the buy lines.
21:40:22 Hekate Galatea: I think it will be more effective when the people who see it are directly effected.
21:40:32 Esther Merryman: think do you go to see a adfarm
21:40:38 Esther Merryman: to look at it
21:40:46 Talarus Luan: Most of the time, I search at 512sqm+
21:40:48 Rem Nightfire: i know, drongle. i will keep it in my thoughts
21:40:51 Esther Merryman: to read the boxes stuff like that
21:40:53 Talarus Luan: So I would never see those anyway
21:41:01 Hekate Galatea: no - but people in the area will see if there is something odd there.
21:41:04 Hekate Galatea: something non-ad
21:41:11 Hekate Galatea: and that they will look at.
21:41:28 Esther Merryman: they dont because they steer clear of them
21:41:43 Talarus Luan: ..and actually, people stop by the kiosks on the land, especially the neighbors, and especially when you let them know about it. ;)
21:41:48 Drongle McMahon: We are in a battle for public opinion, and ambiguity is a problem
21:41:50 Knor Lane: the fountains and warning signs work. i am here because of them.
21:41:57 Esther Merryman: i only know about adfarming because i got stung by one of the worst
21:42:04 Hekate Galatea: Some of you know that I took ownership of a large checkerboard this week. I have had a few people who are close by stop and message me about it.
21:42:09 Klaatu Congrejo: Thank you Knor.
21:42:13 Kaeru Yosuke: that non-ad is there because somebody bought the parcel... that gives freedom to the owner to create a new adfarm
21:42:21 Rem Nightfire: knor what is your feeling about the buy pass lines?
21:42:37 Esther Merryman: Knor that fountain was on land near you though i wager
21:43:00 Knor Lane: not very familiar with the buy pass.
21:43:06 Hekate Galatea: I thought that was the point - people won't care if it's not effecting them
21:43:09 Rem Nightfire: ok
21:43:19 Esther Merryman: so you were looking to see what was going on
21:43:27 Knor Lane: in fact my land is all around that warning sign
21:43:29 Rem Nightfire: yes they are just around cut areas and ad towers
21:43:31 Esther Merryman: not really hekate
21:43:33 Hekate Galatea: no matter how much you put it in their face,they will not care.
21:43:35 Talarus Luan: I don't think paying a very low price for the land, pretty much what the bad guys paid for it, is a problem. Paying the extortionate price would be, though, because that is pure profit for them
21:43:54 Esther Merryman: yes you are right people only care if it affects them
21:43:56 Knor Lane: it stopped me from giving up and pay the extortionists
21:44:07 Esther Merryman: but we cannot show a presence everywhere it affects
21:44:26 Esther Merryman: we need to show our presence all over
21:44:28 Rem Nightfire: yes and if we buy just a few in a cut area, take control of it, keep out the ad farmers and smother the extrotionists, we are doing our job
21:44:34 Hekate Galatea: There have been some squares in the checkerboard that have gone down in price since I started building there. Down to reasonable prices.
21:44:40 Rem Nightfire: yes
21:44:45 Rem Nightfire: exactly
21:44:49 Talarus Luan: However, if I had a choice, I would choose to use face-to-face advertising methods rather than using land. However, it comes down to getting mindshare. It is easier for us to use land to fight them.
21:44:57 Hekate Galatea: It's happened in a couple places I've done this in.
21:45:00 Klaatu Congrejo: Great Hekate. I look forward to having a game of chess with you there soon, ha ha
21:45:03 Esther Merryman: we all are
21:45:04 Esther Merryman: you are making it easier for them to sell cut up land
21:45:06 Drongle McMahon: But even paying the lowest price gives them tier to use somewhere else. They don't mind losing on ,ost of the cut plots.
21:45:15 Esther Merryman: the more we buy the more they cut
21:45:19 Rem Nightfire: no they will cut regardless what we do
21:45:22 Knor Lane: i bought the reasonably priced lots to surround them
21:45:31 Rem Nightfire: thats the idea knor
21:45:33 Hekate Galatea: But if we take the cheap ones, we usually prevent the sale of the spendy ones.
21:45:36 Esther Merryman: not if they cant sell it
21:45:43 Cane Janick: I've noticed alot of them are going down in price I think they are hurting because of all the land they bought while the price was down
21:45:50 Drongle McMahon: I think the only justification for buying is to use the plots for publicity.
21:45:54 Klaatu Congrejo: Well, not really Esther. The more we buy extortionately-priced land the more they cut.
21:45:57 Rem Nightfire: they were selling like crazy before we started doing this
21:46:12 Montelli Vantelli: Exactly.
21:46:13 Esther Merryman: everywhere there are new cuts
21:46:16 Esther Merryman: 512
21:46:18 Esther Merryman: 1024
21:46:25 Esther Merryman: cut up and wrecked
21:46:26 Rem Nightfire: yes drongle, and to block ad towers
21:46:28 Montelli Vantelli: this is what we want to prevent, (placing money back in those pockets)
21:46:34 Drongle McMahon: Yes Rem.
21:46:38 Esther Merryman: they have the pick of what they want
21:46:45 Cane Janick: agreed
21:46:49 Rem Nightfire: thats not because of us
21:46:53 Talarus Luan: Yes, we are having an effect on their bottom line. Right now it is only a small impact, but as our movement grows, that impact will balloon, and they will be lucky to get out of it with their skin intact.
21:47:02 Rem Nightfire: yes
21:47:03 Esther Merryman: and leave mugs like us to clear up the rest
21:47:13 Drongle McMahon: Tier without sales is the way to deter them.
21:47:22 Klaatu Congrejo: Unfortunately Esther, that is where we have to lobby LL to take control. We do not have resources to buy up all the cheap 512, etc.
21:47:34 Esther Merryman: but they are selling
21:47:42 Talarus Luan: I have bought 16s/32s/etc from them at what I consider are reasonable prices in my region, so I can recombine the land and provide it to someone else to use.
21:47:49 Esther Merryman: they are selling the cheap stuff
21:47:53 Rem Nightfire: thats what i do
21:48:00 Esther Merryman: you can see it everywhere
21:48:09 Klaatu Congrejo: Thats the best strategy, I agree Talarus.
21:48:13 Talarus Luan: In that way, I don't consider buying from them any worse than buying from anyone else.
21:48:17 Drongle McMahon: Talarus ... I think it would be better to leave them paying the tier.
21:48:28 Esther Merryman: they even buy the cheap stuff themselves
21:48:42 Rem Nightfire: providing whole pieces to neighbors is good work
21:48:44 Esther Merryman: then place half for low price
21:48:56 Esther Merryman: to get land tier down quick
21:48:58 Talarus Luan: Perhaps, but they will be paying tier no matter what. The difference is to not allow them to profit on it.
21:49:05 Rem Nightfire: yes
21:49:12 Cane Janick: ok
21:49:13 Esther Merryman: while holding the few plots at stupid prices
21:49:41 Esther Merryman: the cheap plots are the byproduct of their business
21:49:43 Drongle McMahon: It's the balance .... we need to make it so that theire tier is greater than their profit.
21:49:55 Rem Nightfire: exactly drongle
21:50:12 Esther Merryman: trouble is if they are smart they cant loose on tier
21:50:14 Hekate Galatea: Which I think can be achieved, even with buying the cheap plots. I haven't paid more than L80 for a 16 in ages.
21:50:20 Talarus Luan: besides, the ones that want to get out of the business, like Hisashi, Torus, Su Brando, etc, if they put their land up for sale at reasonable prices, why shouldn't we buy it. The sooner out of business, the better.
21:50:28 Klaatu Congrejo: I sold back lots of 'rescued' 16s to neighbours, to help them join onto their larger land. AND I sold at my original purchase price, not try to make a profit. Doing things like that is giving us a good reputation also.
21:50:37 Esther Merryman: the few plots i had put up showed that aswell
21:50:51 Hekate Galatea: Klaatu, I have done that before as well.
21:51:01 Hekate Galatea: That's how I met some really good people.
21:51:08 Drongle McMahon: Klaatu ...you are right ... that is a good reason ... reputation.
21:51:12 Rem Nightfire: yes some of them are here today
21:51:18 Hekate Galatea: Although once I was accused of trying to scam people - that's what I get for being nice.
21:51:22 Esther Merryman: people are happy to pay upto a certain price for the land if they want it
21:51:29 Esther Merryman: it stinks
21:51:40 Rem Nightfire: now that is extortionist logic esther
21:51:55 Esther Merryman: but the real problem is people are happy just to be rid
21:52:10 Hekate Galatea: I have a question. About larger plots.
21:52:14 Esther Merryman: so they are making a profit
21:52:25 Esther Merryman: and there is not alot we can do about that
21:52:34 Talarus Luan: OK. well, let us get focused back on the core reason why we are doing this: to put an end to it; to make it unprofitable for them to continue doing it. To get the residents informed and stop paying the extortion so that it happens sooner rather than later, and also to inform and galvanize the userbase to petition LL at every opportunity to fix the problem once and for all.
21:52:52 Hekate Galatea: Is it reasonable for them to charge more than L10 per sqm if it's a good location, or is that still considered a bad deal?
21:52:56 Klaatu Congrejo: But its not good for us if we are seen to be doing this just to make a profit. That makes us as bad as the landcutters!
21:53:01 Esther Merryman: we need more people to come onboard
21:53:03 Esther Merryman: and force the issue with LL
21:53:05 Esther Merryman: and force the issue with LL
21:53:10 Esther Merryman: until they pass a suitable TOS rule
21:53:24 Rem Nightfire: what do you have for us today talarus?
21:53:32 Esther Merryman: adfarmers are just going to abuse everyone
21:53:45 Talarus Luan: I would like to avoid using anything which is counter-productive to the cause. However, fair tactics are always welcomed.
21:54:20 Hekate Galatea: We need to give everyone a dose of seratonin. I read recently that low seratonin causes a feeling of unfairness.
21:54:25 Talarus Luan: Alright. Before we get into more strategy items.. let's finish up the News from the Front topic. Does anyone else have any other news they would like to share?
21:54:36 Klaatu Congrejo: ha ha
21:54:57 Esther Merryman: I dont make a profit if that is a jab at my idea
21:55:21 Hekate Galatea: I've had 16's and 32's go down in price near where I have put in installments. I consider that a success, if a small one.
21:55:40 Kaeru Yosuke: can i ask what kind of installments ?
21:55:41 Rem Nightfire: yes ive seen that too , but not down enough yet
21:55:44 Timo Daehlie: well i suggest that we keep filing AR's for banlines and excessive prices everywher we can
21:55:47 Hekate Galatea: I wasn't speaking of anyone in particular, Esther. I just noticed that on the adcutter side, many of them seem to think they are fighting some sort of slight.
21:55:54 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes, I noticed that in other areas where we are active too Hekate.
21:56:24 Drongle McMahon: I expect you all know it ... I found a huge adfarm in Chiron, 3040m, partly in underground tunnels.
21:56:33 Rem Nightfire: oh my
21:56:35 Hekate Galatea: Really? How interesting.
21:56:41 Klaatu Congrejo: Wow, tell us more Drongle
21:56:42 Esther Merryman: how does that work
21:56:44 Talarus Luan: I think it is possibly because of the sagging land sales. I have a feeling it is hitting them as much, if not moreso than it is hitting regular realtors
21:56:50 Esther Merryman: drongle
21:56:52 Timo Daehlie: something like roboos stupid walkaway in Bogong ?
21:57:07 Rem Nightfire: "sagging" - tunnels
21:57:25 Drongle McMahon: It would make an interesting one for the tour ... it's old ... there are 10 Arbor plots on it.
21:57:28 Hekate Galatea: stop the pun-ishment!
21:57:35 Rem Nightfire: sorry
21:57:44 Hekate Galatea: I'd like to see that, can you give us a landmark?
21:58:01 Talarus Luan: Aye, if you have one. :)
21:58:12 Timo Daehlie: drongle can those arbor plots be rejoined ?
21:58:44 Drongle McMahon: Don't have a landmark ... if you go to Chiron, it's in the north west corner, I think.
21:58:54 Timo Daehlie: ok i will check it out later on
21:58:58 Talarus Luan: OK
21:59:01 Esther Merryman: I have another item to bring up
21:59:03 Drongle McMahon: Timo ... no they are all spread out.
21:59:12 Hekate Galatea: Field Trip! after the meeting.
21:59:14 Talarus Luan: News related, Esther?
21:59:20 Esther Merryman: if you remember when i first came to the meeting
21:59:24 Esther Merryman: yes
21:59:28 Talarus Luan: Cool :)
21:59:32 Timo Daehlie: i made a note about the region dronge . Chiron ,,,
21:59:35 Esther Merryman: i mentione weedy herbst
21:59:46 Esther Merryman: i made friends with her
22:00:06 Timo Daehlie: blue button holding
22:00:12 Esther Merryman: after meeting her when buying up small plots initially
22:00:16 Esther Merryman: yes
22:00:31 Esther Merryman: she had a plot in the middle of my land
22:00:42 Timo Daehlie: she swaps
22:00:50 Esther Merryman: and yesterday when i decided to leave sl for good
22:00:52 Talarus Luan: Sometimes :)
22:01:07 Esther Merryman: i spoke with her so it would help me sell my land
22:01:19 Esther Merryman: she came and swapped straight away
22:01:46 Esther Merryman: but said she had been put on a freeze by LL
22:02:01 Esther Merryman: as if she was a adfarmer
22:02:12 Esther Merryman: we all know this is not the case
22:02:21 Talarus Luan: Yeah, probably because of the nature of the land they own
22:02:27 Esther Merryman: and it had really upset her
22:02:37 Esther Merryman: she deals with arbour
22:02:40 Montelli Vantelli: probably the nature of her alt accounts
22:02:50 Timo Daehlie: yes she is a friend of xerxes too
22:02:55 Knor Lane: she swapped with me last week but her lot says they no longer di until linden returns the land they took from them illgally
22:03:07 Esther Merryman: yes
22:03:09 Timo Daehlie: at least she helps xrses when he ask to swap ..
22:03:27 Esther Merryman: but she still put her neck out and swapped with me to
22:03:30 Talarus Luan: Interesting. Did not hear that
22:03:57 Esther Merryman: but legitimate business shouldnt be affected
22:04:08 Esther Merryman: by adfarm issues
22:04:15 Rem Nightfire: this is interesting,but i think we need to get to the big picture soon
22:04:17 Knor Lane: she was pleasant to deal with
22:04:23 Talarus Luan: They've got a hole in my land now, but I expected that they would swap once I got them a more suitable one to replace it.
22:04:40 Esther Merryman: it cannot help our cause
22:05:07 Talarus Luan: Yes. Alrighty, then. To the meat of the meeting, as it were. :)
22:05:29 Rem Nightfire: thank you lets let talarus run the meeting now
22:05:31 Talarus Luan: I have compiled a list of sims where we have presence, as provided to me by some of you all.
22:05:53 Talarus Luan: The list is alphabetized along with who owns it.
22:05:56 Klaatu Congrejo: OK. Talarus, is there any point pushing the issue of a grid-wide poll with LL.
22:05:59 Talarus Luan: It's in the red cone there.
22:06:34 Talarus Luan: Yes, there is, but only if they would actually do something with the results, if said results indicated action needed be taken.
22:06:39 Hekate Galatea: Guess I should have contacted you, I've got a few places too.
22:07:09 Timo Daehlie: maybe put this list somehow on the blog too hekate ?
22:07:11 Talarus Luan: Yes, that list will grow as you all submit to me (in notecards, please :) ) where you have an active presence.
22:07:33 Timo Daehlie: i give you this week talarus
22:08:01 Talarus Luan: I want to make sure, for those of us who are going around knocking on doors, to not duplicate effort. We have 4000 regions to get our info to, and we've only just begun to scratch the surface.
22:08:09 Esther Merryman: surely the log of austin hallards land shows something needs to be done
22:08:26 Ash Marat: excuse me, is there something i can see/click to learn the purpose of this event?
22:08:50 Timo Daehlie: http://etakeh-oh.net/adless/
22:08:55 Klaatu Congrejo: omg, I got a couple hundred to add to that list Talarus. You gonna need a book when we all put our lands on the list, lol
22:09:00 Ash Marat: thanks
22:09:10 Rem Nightfire: get to it kc!
22:09:14 Talarus Luan: Yus.
22:09:22 Timo Daehlie: this is our blog ash.. some add info you can found here in the zoo . .but basically we are teaming up against ad farms and extortion
22:10:48 Knor Lane: my sim cryptomono was left in a mess by a neighbor that sold in a panic, I started to restore it but want to publicly thank Klaatu and Montelli for their help.
22:11:05 Talarus Luan: As for our strategy and activities, we must get the word out to anyone and everyone. We're accomplishing this goal, albeit slowly, but it is like every other form of communication.. it starts out small, and grows exponentially.
22:11:14 Klaatu Congrejo: No probs Knor. Glad to help you join it al up again :)
22:12:11 Talarus Luan: We also are in contact with NCI and will be providing our propaganda and wisdom for them to diseminate to new residents. :)
22:12:21 Rem Nightfire: great
22:12:22 Klaatu Congrejo: Hey, thats great!
22:12:30 Timo Daehlie: did any1 get back to you talarus ?
22:12:51 Montelli Vantelli: That is the most important thing.
22:13:34 Talarus Luan: Oh, I also spoke with Prokofy Neva this week, and she is in support of what we're doing. Not sure what all she will be willing to do with us, but being a major mainland landowner who has experience fighting the adfarmers, I think we will be able to come up with something creative. ;)
22:13:56 Talarus Luan: Yes, I have been talking with her. I have to finish polishing up some of the literature to give to them.
22:14:22 Timo Daehlie: coolio
22:14:43 Klaatu Congrejo: Prokofy is a good friend to have.
22:15:35 Rem Nightfire: i am in friendly contact with some furries
22:15:48 Hekate Galatea: You admit it out loud????
22:15:59 Rem Nightfire: they are wanting to help fight the ad farmers too
22:16:01 Talarus Luan: My plan of attack for myself is to go out and meet my neighbors, give them the literature, and help them understand what we are all about in person. I do think this is the most effective form of advertising we can do.
22:16:10 Rem Nightfire: haha
22:16:12 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes, we apparently got the support of the furrie community now. Anyone here got friends inthe Elven community?
22:16:31 Talarus Luan: I am going to spiral out from my home sim and hit every landowner I can.
22:16:35 Hekate Galatea: I don't have any friends in any community but this one...sorry.
22:16:51 Klaatu Congrejo: With Dragons, Furries, and Elves... how can we lose this fight?
22:16:55 Talarus Luan: Yes, we know plenty of Elves since the Isle of Wyrms is part of the fantasy continent. :)
22:17:05 Klaatu Congrejo: Cool Talarus.
22:17:07 Montelli Vantelli: I have contacted the gerys
22:17:14 Montelli Vantelli: Greys
22:17:22 Klaatu Congrejo: I must visit that part of the world. Is it public access?
22:17:45 Klaatu Congrejo: The Greys?
22:18:19 Talarus Luan: Spreading the word amongst private estate owners is helpful, though it is very important that we get ourselves in front of the mainland land owners, since they are most affected and are the ones buying the land extortionists' plots.
22:18:36 Montelli Vantelli: these folks : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greys
22:18:53 Klaatu Congrejo: Cool, thanks. Will check that out Montelli.
22:19:00 Timo Daehlie: nwo
22:19:03 Hekate Galatea: I think one good "target" for us is the people with large land holdings near the edge of a sim who have a line of 16's bordering them.
22:19:16 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes Hekate!
22:19:36 Klaatu Congrejo: Thanks Talarus.
22:19:39 Hekate Galatea: I've been noticing that a lot lately.
22:19:41 Talarus Luan: Yep. It is easy to find them, too
22:19:47 Hekate Galatea: just scan the map.
22:19:49 Rem Nightfire: yes the cutters are making lots of lines now
22:19:53 Talarus Luan: Open the map and look around once the "for sale" layer loads. :-/
22:20:15 Talarus Luan: In fact, look at how disgusting it is in this region and the one to the west
22:20:23 Hekate Galatea: They're extra shitty, in my opinion. Especially when they put up ban lines on half of them - preventing entrance or exit in an easy manner to the sim.
22:20:40 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes, Zap Cannon is a mess! What you been doing here Timo!! ha ha
22:21:14 Montelli Vantelli: ahahahaahahahaha
22:21:21 Timo Daehlie: they dont like me i suppose :)
22:21:30 Hekate Galatea: that's so sad.
22:21:33 Drongle McMahon: Why not, I wonder?
22:21:34 Tal Chernov: landed me on the table eh
22:21:45 Hekate Galatea: I think he put the landmark there on purpose.
22:22:01 Klaatu Congrejo: But, seriously, I see yr doing a lot to clean up the region, and look forward to seeing AdZoo expansions.
22:22:38 Timo Daehlie: i go fix some skyscrapers soon near the road here
22:22:54 Rem Nightfire: ah youre singin my song
22:23:08 Klaatu Congrejo: Give me a shout if you need help Timo.
22:23:11 Esther Merryman: i saw along line for sale by a company own the roads own the sim
22:23:13 Talarus Luan: Also... making our cause known to the Lindens is very important. When we show up with an army of bodies all saying the same things about the adfarm problem, we ARE getting noticed. The more that show up, the better.
22:23:23 Timo Daehlie: it will improve but also its good they are here .. saves a lot of time explaining to visitors what a damage it can cause
22:23:31 Klaatu Congrejo: Oh Talarus....
22:23:32 Timo Daehlie: always klaatu ;)
22:23:35 Hekate Galatea: tal, dude - get your feet off the table! Have you no manners?
22:23:43 Rem Nightfire: haha
22:23:47 Klaatu Congrejo: On that subject. Any chance of getting meetings with Jack at different times.
22:24:07 Klaatu Congrejo: Its a bit unfair on us on the Australian side of the planet.
22:24:18 Talarus Luan: Robin Linden's Office Hours are Tuesdays at 11AM SLT and Jack Linden's Office Hours are Wednesdays at 1PM SLT
22:24:35 Hekate Galatea: Which is the same as my time - I'm a lucky one.
22:24:44 Hekate Galatea: If I didn't work, I'd be there.
22:24:50 Talarus Luan: Well, we've talked to Jack about it, and he's been uncommittal. However, we can keep asking.
22:24:54 Kaeru Yosuke: is there any other Linden that can help with the problem?
22:24:56 Rem Nightfire: ill be there this week
22:25:03 Kaeru Yosuke: Jack doesn't seem to be very helpful for now
22:25:09 Esther Merryman: send a tp if i am online i will come
22:25:11 Drongle McMahon: Are there any Ozzy Lindens?
22:25:23 Talarus Luan: Even if you can't be there, encourage anyone you trust with the cause to come and tell the Lindens all about the problem.
22:25:36 Talarus Luan: There are a few, I think
22:25:56 Klaatu Congrejo: Ha ha Drongle. I'll vote for one!
22:26:00 Esther Merryman: i have got someting to tell them about how they treat their residents
22:26:04 Hekate Galatea: I will try to get Djin, but he's damned anti-social, being as crabby as he is about this.
22:26:12 Talarus Luan: Hehe
22:26:34 Talarus Luan: Well, thing is, the more people who bring this to the Lindens' doorstep, the better.
22:26:37 Hekate Galatea: His land is horribly ugly due to land cutting.
22:27:06 Esther Merryman: i rstored my whole sim
22:27:09 Talarus Luan: I am continually amazed at the number of folks who are showing up independent of us and making their case heard.
22:27:30 Hekate Galatea: it's good that you are there then, to show that they aren't alone.
22:27:33 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes, the word is spreading all around the grid Talarus.
22:27:35 Esther Merryman: now have had to cut it back up to 1024 plots
22:27:37 Rem Nightfire: yes can the poll be one of those log in polls?
22:27:40 Klaatu Congrejo: More ppl are becoming aware.
22:27:47 Esther Merryman: they will be happy as it gets them more tier
22:28:05 Esther Merryman: but it still will soon be a mes again
22:28:15 Talarus Luan: I will keep asking Jack about the login poll.
22:28:21 Esther Merryman: LL dont give a ****
22:28:26 Klaatu Congrejo: Great. Thanks Talarus.
22:28:29 Rem Nightfire: just having it there will be major
22:28:31 Esther Merryman: they just want the tier
22:28:33 Talarus Luan: I have tried to contact him outside of his office hours, but no response yet
22:28:51 Helena Whittlesea: i'm sorry -- who is jack? i've been curious about what is necessary to have something appear on the login page
22:28:55 Talarus Luan: Heh.. maybe I will ask if he can come to this meeting next weekend. :D
22:29:00 Tal Chernov: mostlindens that arent logged in doing their sl job are RL away from SL for a purpose
22:29:11 Klaatu Congrejo: Is Jack our only reliable contact? How many other Lindens are likely to be supportive.
22:29:14 Montelli Vantelli: You don't know Jack?
22:29:16 Talarus Luan: Jack Linden is the Customer Relations Manager.
22:29:18 Helena Whittlesea: ha!
22:29:19 Rem Nightfire: haha
22:29:20 Helena Whittlesea: i assume he's a linden
22:29:23 Klaatu Congrejo: Jack Linden.
22:29:28 Montelli Vantelli: ahaaha sorry, had to say it
22:29:30 Timo Daehlie: captain jack
22:29:33 Helena Whittlesea: yeah i guess i meant title -- thanks
22:29:34 Esther Merryman: What customer relations
22:29:36 Hekate Galatea: you are forgiven.
22:29:37 Helena Whittlesea: : )
22:29:39 Esther Merryman: there arent any
22:30:03 Talarus Luan: Well, there ARE, they just aren't very good at times. ;)
22:30:30 Esther Merryman: we have been campaigning about this for months
22:30:32 Hekate Galatea: I still volunteer for the job.
22:30:42 Klaatu Congrejo: What job is that Hekate?
22:30:46 Esther Merryman: and they havent done a single thing since making it all worse in february
22:30:52 Hekate Galatea: The customer service job.
22:31:01 Talarus Luan: ..and we will likely campaign about it for a year. Maybe more. Hopefully less.
22:31:04 Klaatu Congrejo: Ah yes, they still looking to fill that post?
22:31:09 Esther Merryman: you should hekate
22:31:14 Talarus Luan: Arbor has been at it for almost a year and a half.
22:31:23 Hekate Galatea: They should be - they need more and volunteers might be the way to go.
22:31:32 Esther Merryman: you would be the best they ever had
22:31:58 Hekate Galatea: I've had years of experience with it. although being better than what they have wouldn't be too hard in any case.
22:32:07 Rem Nightfire: any progress on the tours?
22:32:28 Esther Merryman: shame there arent about 20-30 of you to go round hekate
22:32:31 Talarus Luan: I am afraid I wouldn't be very good at LL customer relations.. I tend to eat too many stupid people and get fat. :P
22:32:37 Esther Merryman: thats what they need
22:32:38 Klaatu Congrejo: ha ha
22:32:45 Hekate Galatea: You could be the complaints department...
22:32:51 Rem Nightfire: haha
22:32:58 Klaatu Congrejo: Ha ha Hekate
22:33:10 Talarus Luan: yes, Rem, I have a good stack of landmarks now, though images to go with them would be great. :)
22:33:19 Hekate Galatea: Or the liason with the ad guild.
22:33:21 Rem Nightfire: ok i'll work on that
22:33:27 Talarus Luan: Not necessary, of course, but still nice so people can see before they TP
22:33:33 Drongle McMahon: I must send you the Chiron one
22:34:18 Hekate Galatea: I'd like to remind everyone that you are able to register and upload images to the blog's gallery. More the merrier.
22:34:24 Kaeru Yosuke: what about making meetings in front of their place with signs and such... claiming for some kind of solution? I mean, getting a lot of ppl there
22:34:39 Talarus Luan: The Lindens?
22:34:49 Kaeru Yosuke: yes, i've seen something like that...
22:34:56 Kaeru Yosuke: in some blog :D
22:35:11 Talarus Luan: Well, there are about 20 sims all over the grid. Depends on when and where. ;)
22:35:18 Kaeru Yosuke: isn't that the way to go in RL to claim rights ?
22:35:34 Klaatu Congrejo: We need another Town Hall meeting.
22:35:40 Hekate Galatea: until the cops show up with tear gas and firehoses.
22:35:49 Esther Merryman: LL will not act on 40 avatars
22:36:03 Esther Merryman: even 500
22:36:06 Talarus Luan: Yeah, we could do that, but it really would only have an effect in places where the Linden managers are actually online and present, or if you wanted to make it a public awareness "march".
22:36:14 Kaeru Yosuke: 40 is a start point
22:36:16 Esther Merryman: complaining
22:36:17 Talarus Luan: Could go through Ahern and Waterhead.
22:36:31 Esther Merryman: they need to know people have had enough and are not happy
22:36:52 Esther Merryman: in the majority
22:36:54 Talarus Luan: Yes, that's why coming to their office hours and letting them know EXACTLY how you feel is the best.
22:37:00 Kaeru Yosuke: or maybe telling people to send tickets , IMs or such, about the issue
22:37:06 Esther Merryman: i will
22:37:26 Esther Merryman: but i am seriously considering leaving sl completely
22:37:36 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes I agree Talarus. Office hours are probably the best way to get direct access to Lindens.
22:37:51 Esther Merryman: i already would if i didnt have around 1200$ stuck here
22:38:01 Kaeru Yosuke: it would be cool if those meetings on their office could be advertised, so many ppl can come at a time
22:38:07 Esther Merryman: it just not good enough
22:38:42 Esther Merryman: for that sort of investment i expect to be listened to
22:39:02 Klaatu Congrejo: I don't think this is the best place to be listened to on that topic Esther.
22:39:05 Esther Merryman: in a real business they would bend over backwards
22:39:19 Talarus Luan: I can sympathize, Esther. :-/ It is often hard to justify staying over how lousy the service is, and how bad their customer service is.
22:39:41 Talarus Luan: Well, that is coming. Competition makes businesses lean, mean, and get with the program.
22:39:52 Talarus Luan: Look at any decent web host
22:40:07 Esther Merryman: especially when it is a continuall battle to get anything done
22:40:17 Rem Nightfire: topic?
22:40:31 Esther Merryman: i am not a business just playing the game
22:40:39 Talarus Luan: I pay less than half of LL's monthly region tier for a WHOLE websever, and I can get 1 hour support for just about anything and everything.
22:41:31 Klaatu Congrejo: I gotta go now folks. See y'all next week. RL calls.
22:41:33 Klaatu Congrejo: Bye.
22:41:35 Talarus Luan: However, all we can realistically do about the problem right now is to keep educating the residents, and putting pressure on both the adfarmers/extortionists, and also on Linden Lab to fix the problem.
22:41:44 Drongle McMahon: Won't you wait for the 'Important Announcement', Esther
22:41:47 Timo Daehlie: ciao Klaatu ! ;)
22:41:48 Drongle McMahon: By K
22:41:58 Hekate Galatea: bye...see you round
22:42:00 Talarus Luan: Take care, Klaatu.
22:42:01 Rem Nightfire: bye kc, later
22:42:08 rm Sirbu: bye klaatu
22:42:34 Talarus Luan: Alrighty. Getting close to our 2 hour limit. Anyone have any new materials or documents to share? :)
22:42:43 Kaeru Yosuke: bye KC
22:42:55 Rem Nightfire: those small protest signs are great
22:43:02 Timo Daehlie: the new ones rem ?
22:43:06 Rem Nightfire: yes
22:43:09 Timo Daehlie: :))
22:43:14 Hekate Galatea: I've got something on the contest as well
22:43:17 Drongle McMahon: Talarus...maybe you saw the story I wrote in the forums? Would people find that amusing?
22:43:21 Timo Daehlie: i was bored last week ;)
22:43:30 Rem Nightfire: melodie sent me the textures and i have put them on opanels and walls
22:44:12 Timo Daehlie: i will add more in time
22:44:16 Rem Nightfire: they are perfect
22:44:33 Timo Daehlie: :)
22:44:44 Timo Daehlie: i like the shitting bull
22:44:49 Rem Nightfire: haha
22:44:54 Talarus Luan: That story wa great, Drongle, and not just because I was written into it as a main character. ;D
22:44:59 Rem Nightfire: i heard that story...
22:45:06 Ash Marat: Where are those textures? I made some for a bordering adfarm awhile bac and would be happy to share.
22:45:27 Talarus Luan: *was
22:45:28 Rem Nightfire: oooo cool
22:45:31 Jeffrey Gomez: Someone (namely me) should learn to not live on Tokyo Standard Time.
22:45:34 Hekate Galatea: the big ugly block on the table is what I've come up with for the contest.
22:45:38 Timo Daehlie: on the other side of the zoo ash .. you can pike them up or free
22:45:42 Timo Daehlie: *for free
22:45:51 Rem Nightfire: outstanding hekate
22:45:53 Hekate Galatea: Obviously it needs work - I need some input on prizes and dates.
22:45:58 Talarus Luan: /me is glad his Dragon eyes are 20/0.001 :P
22:46:00 Ash Marat: ok, thanks
22:46:04 Knor Lane: need to excuse myself. gnight everyone
22:46:12 Talarus Luan: Take care, Knor. :)
22:46:15 Rem Nightfire: haha
22:46:16 Timo Daehlie: night Knor ;)
22:46:18 Talarus Luan: Thanks for coming.
22:46:24 Rem Nightfire: bye knor
22:46:25 Montelli Vantelli: ciao ciao
22:46:40 Montelli Vantelli: thanks for attending
22:46:48 Kaeru Yosuke: bye!
22:46:59 Knor Lane: your caused helped my sim a lot. hopefully a fast success story
22:47:09 Hekate Galatea: Hope it continues.
22:47:13 Rem Nightfire: thats so great to hear knor
22:47:55 Drongle McMahon: Hekate ... you need to be careful about the LL trademarks!
22:48:01 Rem Nightfire: where did talarus go?
22:48:06 Talarus Luan: I am right here
22:48:17 Rem Nightfire: oh ok
22:48:28 Hekate Galatea: I tried to modify it enough to make it ok - I'm not sure if it is though.
22:48:32 Talarus Luan: Looks cool, Hekate. :)
22:48:38 Rem Nightfire: yes
22:48:47 Hekate Galatea: That's why I'm showing it to you guys first- to get that input.
22:48:57 Drongle McMahon: Could use a smiley face instead :-)
22:49:07 Rem Nightfire: didnt think about the trademark - good point drongle
22:49:09 Drongle McMahon: With stars for eyes
22:49:11 Talarus Luan: I dunno if there was an issue with the hand image on something inside of SL
22:49:20 Ash Marat: don't know either. the goddess by that name was female. =)
22:49:34 Ash Marat: hey
22:49:45 Ash Marat: i have a suggestion for a contest
22:49:56 Hekate Galatea: Maybe I can contact them about it, see if they are ok with it.
22:50:10 Drongle McMahon: Good idea
22:50:14 Talarus Luan: Yeah.. if you dig up the blog post, it says who to contact about it
22:50:41 Talarus Luan: and Hi Jeffrey. :) You're LATE! :P
22:50:48 Jeffrey Gomez: <_< >_>
22:50:59 Jeffrey Gomez: I blame the acquisition of Wii Fit in my defense
22:51:11 Drongle McMahon: Better late than never
22:51:23 Rem Nightfire: yes, hi jeffrey
22:51:28 Hekate Galatea: I are you feeling fitter yet?
22:51:48 Ash Marat: We took the adfarm head on and constructed a giant tower to surround the plot and abscure the ugliness. Ours is just plain walls, but what about a contest to build something like that. Countermeasures.
22:52:01 Jeffrey Gomez: I don't think it works like that on the first day. If it did, it'd be more sold out than it already is. :)
22:52:06 Ash Marat: obscure, sorry for typos
22:52:31 Talarus Luan: Isn't there some class of that in your contest, Hekate?
22:52:52 Talarus Luan: Or is it simply just a 16sqm beautification deal?
22:52:54 Hekate Galatea: for typos?
22:52:56 Hekate Galatea: hehe
22:53:13 Hekate Galatea: well, I thought the first time out, we'd just do the simple 16m2 routh.
22:53:15 Rem Nightfire: i would win that one
22:53:17 Ash Marat: Oh yes, and the texture inside which reads, 'abandon hope, ye who enter here' =)
22:53:23 Hekate Galatea: speaking of typos.
22:53:38 Hekate Galatea: if it's successful, it can be expanded.
22:53:40 Rem Nightfire: haha
22:53:45 Drongle McMahon: Noe I wuodl niw.
22:53:56 Rem Nightfire: estactyl
22:53:58 Talarus Luan: Well, it is a good idea. :)
22:54:05 Montelli Vantelli: ahahah
22:54:41 Talarus Luan: OK. Anything else to bring to the table before we call it? (and it sounds liek we need to... silly meter is getting pegged :P)
22:55:22 Rem Nightfire: ok see you all again real soon
22:55:33 Talarus Luan: Take care, Rem. :)
22:55:40 Rem Nightfire: thanks again talarus and timo for putting this together
22:55:45 Timo Daehlie: rem ciao ciao !
22:55:48 Rem Nightfire: bye all
22:55:51 Timo Daehlie: we all put this together ;)
22:55:53 rm Sirbu: bye rem
22:55:57 Rem Nightfire: yes
22:56:06 Esther Merryman: sorry rl
22:56:08 Talarus Luan: Our pleasure. Thank you all for coming and making this movement into something real. :D
22:56:12 Esther Merryman: got to go
22:56:13 Rem Nightfire: take care and keep fighting!
22:56:16 Kyrion Yalin: bye rem
22:56:17 Esther Merryman: night all
22:56:20 Hekate Galatea: We must all stand together, or we will all hang seperately.
22:56:24 Hekate Galatea: or something like that. ===== Close Log 2008-06-22T22:56:27.939419Z =====