21:10:24 Timo Daehlie: test ..
21:11:12 Talarus Luan: Alrighty. Welcome to our second meeting. I am glad to see everyone back, and welcome some new faces. :)
21:11:24 Esther Merryman: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*
21:11:26 Esther Merryman: Rem
21:11:48 Rem Nightfire: geez
21:12:09 Talarus Luan: We've been busy this week, as you can see. Timo has done a great job redecorating the place to give us more room to focus on the organizational effort.
21:12:33 Talarus Luan: Welcome, Xerses :)
21:13:31 Talarus Luan: First, I would like to spend a few minutes going over items from the last meeting.
21:13:35 Xerses Goff: hi
21:13:37 Esther Merryman: Looks like Rem crashed again
21:14:27 Rem Nightfire: i may have to give up and read the trqanscript! just ignore me until i get this together or not
21:14:32 Talarus Luan: Pretty much, we wanted to introduce everyone to the basic plan, and solicit ideas and materials regarding how to organize, as well as how to combat the problem.
21:15:15 Rem Nightfire: yes i did
21:15:28 Talarus Luan: We talked about the basic premise of our mission, our goals, and the problem at large.
21:16:47 Talarus Luan: Now, is there anyone who has not had the opportunity to read the transcript of the first meeting (or anyone really), who would like to ask any short questions about those subjects? I just want to make sure we are all on the same page starting out here. :)
21:17:09 Esther Merryman: I read most of it
21:17:13 Kaylan Draken: me too
21:17:15 Trrrol Toll: I read it too
21:17:24 Talarus Luan: OK. Good good. :)
21:17:48 Esther Merryman: but feel the only wat to stop the adverts being put everywhere is if more people get involved
21:18:00 Esther Merryman: there are twelve here now
21:18:10 Hekate Galatea: that's where education comes in - spread the word.
21:18:20 Timo Daehlie: we are planning a campaing ;)
21:18:24 Talarus Luan: As an initial meeting, it was probably a little short on substance, but we will refine that in this meeting, and beyond. :)
21:18:30 Timo Daehlie: gn
21:18:34 Klaatu Congrejo: To be honest, we can't STOP the ads going up.
21:18:37 Esther Merryman: but in the long term it will take hundreds of users to report on a regular basis
21:18:50 Esther Merryman: for linden labs to take real effective action
21:19:04 Timo Daehlie: we have that potential reach within our networks esther but we need to present us well
21:19:07 Talarus Luan: The first big item was to get organized, and to start getting folks focused on areas which are of interest to them, and where they can best support the effort.
21:19:21 Hekate Galatea: Right, so our challenge is to get the word out without being as annoying as those we're trying to stop.
21:19:38 Esther Merryman: Ok
21:19:43 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes Hekate, thats one of my concerns too.
21:19:45 Talarus Luan: We went ahead and drafted up an organizational structure, which is available in the second notecard dispenser.
21:19:54 Trrrol Toll: agree with Hekate
21:20:27 Talarus Luan: Yes, we are definitely NOT going to follow in their footsteps and make the problem worse for land owners.
21:20:34 Talarus Luan: It is counter to our mission.
21:20:38 Xerses Goff: The best luck we have had is giving notecards to everyone nearby in a sim where an adfarm has gone in.
21:20:49 Xerses Goff: Most are upset and motivated to act.
21:21:27 Timo Daehlie: yes we are talking about 50 clowns vs all residents
21:21:35 Talarus Luan: It is crucial that we maintain our integrity and follow our guidelines, and keep them within the ToS, and as open and friendly to residents and landowners as possible.
21:21:42 Timo Daehlie: i never met any person in sl who aprriciated an ad sign
21:21:47 Talarus Luan: We WANT people to support our cause. :)
21:21:53 Rem Nightfire: what would be examples of us being too annoying?
21:22:03 Esther Merryman: Yes
21:22:05 Klaatu Congrejo: Notecards are sometimes viewed a spam though. I think its best to just put the information in the open for ppl to access as they wish.
21:22:11 Timo Daehlie: well think of building tower s rem
21:22:12 Talarus Luan: Spamming land owners with adverts
21:22:18 Hekate Galatea: I think the hardest part will be convincing people who haven't yet been affected that it's just a matter of time before they are.
21:22:23 Trrrol Toll: to tell people 5 times per day our truth
21:22:26 Timo Daehlie: big creative towers in front of a spinning ad farm
21:22:35 Talarus Luan: Taking the time to meet with someone 1-on-1 is very important.
21:22:45 Rem Nightfire: yes
21:22:48 Esther Merryman: i have purchased land in adfarms
21:22:51 Talarus Luan: Most people will throw junk mail, even well-meaning junk mail, in the trash
21:23:05 Esther Merryman: and have a small add stating ad farms ruin sims
21:23:12 Timo Daehlie: i would love to help you esther ;)
21:23:24 Esther Merryman: perhaps i could issue notecards from those plots
21:23:27 Klaatu Congrejo: I've seen your ad Esther. Good idea.
21:23:33 Kaylan Draken: maybe we can ask house sellers to give a notecard with what we do
21:23:36 Trrrol Toll: thats the nice way Ester
21:23:38 Xerses Goff: A full page in the Metaverse Messenger is only 7KL and reaches 65000 residens
21:23:41 Talarus Luan: However, when you meet someone face to face, they will respect that effort (most of the time, anyway), and will give you the opportunity to speak your peace.
21:23:48 Rem Nightfire: yea they are very good
21:23:53 Kyrion Yalin: i talked with some ownners of groups i belong, and i am authorised to send information to the groups
21:24:00 Timo Daehlie: well that wont be a prob xerses ;)
21:24:14 Hekate Galatea: I once was accused of trying to trap or scam someone when I offered to GIVE them land I'd bought out of a land farm.
21:24:19 Talarus Luan: Anyway.. I want to save some of the actual "what do we do and how we go about it" for Topic #5. :)
21:24:30 Klaatu Congrejo: Exactly Talarus. I've had the best response from local ppl who just happen to wander by and wonder what I'm doing building parks and erecting fountains in the middle of adfarms.
21:24:38 Esther Merryman: it was made by Shipppou Oud originally so I cannot take the credit
21:24:40 Xerses Goff: I know a number of Lindens read it, that is how the last open leater to LL about grid stability was publicized.
21:25:01 Esther Merryman: but that shows there are already others moved to take action out there
21:25:04 Timo Daehlie: cool
21:25:53 Esther Merryman: Me to
21:25:55 Talarus Luan: OK. With regards to the organizational structure, we set up 5 separate project teams which pretty much cover all aspects of our efforts.
21:26:13 Esther Merryman: I spoke to the owner of Blue Button Holdings
21:26:15 Talarus Luan: Creators, Warriors, Mentors, Ambassadors, and Recruiters.
21:26:25 Esther Merryman: and he wasnt very friendly at first
21:26:27 Talarus Luan: The notecard details the roles.
21:26:35 Klaatu Congrejo: Weedy Herbst you mean Esther?
21:26:39 Timo Daehlie: hehehe
21:26:43 Esther Merryman: Yes
21:26:52 Esther Merryman: but he was alright at the end
21:27:05 Rem Nightfire: he would not trade a plot with me
21:27:08 Esther Merryman: seemed to acept there was a problem
21:27:11 Klaatu Congrejo: He operates landbots (I believe) and likes access to many regions onto 16m blocks for his bots.
21:27:26 Klaatu Congrejo: Doesn't like anything that intereferes with that.
21:27:31 Xerses Goff: actually, weedy hates bots, she still uses land scanners.
21:27:35 Esther Merryman: He runs scripts in them
21:27:57 Xerses Goff: is very willing to swap witnin a sim but will not move out of one for anything.
21:28:04 Esther Merryman: obviously has a huge network
21:28:15 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes, the scripts tell his bots when there is land for sale I think.
21:28:32 Esther Merryman: it would be good to have someone like that singing from our songsheet
21:29:04 Klaatu Congrejo: In my experience, he's not really very co-operative. He put ban lines against me in some regions.
21:29:08 Esther Merryman: intant mass infrastructure
21:29:16 Esther Merryman: no i got that impression to
21:29:19 Esther Merryman: :-(
21:29:53 Xerses Goff: It depends upon how you approach her, if anyone has a specific issu with her, I will be happy to speak with her.
21:30:02 Xerses Goff: on a piece of land.
21:30:03 Talarus Luan: Suffice it to say that Weedy and Dave (Weedy is a she, btw ;) ) have their own goals to own one 16 in every mainland sim, and aren't targeted by this movement. :)
21:30:10 Timo Daehlie: cool xerses ;)
21:30:13 Hekate Galatea: can we find anything in it for them? if we can make it look like they gete something out of it, they may be more likely to listen.
21:30:28 Esther Merryman: No issue it would be great if she would help out though
21:30:34 Rem Nightfire: same with skye whitcroft
21:30:36 Trrrol Toll: hm...are we now working on an individual approach of each ad-cutter?
21:30:39 Esther Merryman: a small sign maybe
21:30:41 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes thats understood Talarus. Wish s/he was more approachable though. Your help WOULD be appreciated Xerses.
21:31:20 Xerses Goff: sure, just send me an IM of the plots where you are having issues and I will see what I can do. She wont move out of a sim, but have never had her turn down a swap to rebuild a plot.
21:31:52 Klaatu Congrejo: OK Thanks Xerses. Will get back to you.
21:31:54 Rem Nightfire: she just didnt get back to me after 2 attempts it was in the same sim
21:31:58 Timo Daehlie: ok talarus continue ;)
21:32:03 Rem Nightfire: yes
21:32:19 Talarus Luan: Alright. Does anyone have any questions or comments about the organizational structure?
21:32:46 Talarus Luan: You can see an example of it over to my left on the wall. :)
21:33:12 Rem Nightfire: i dont see anything in there about blocking the ad towers
21:33:32 Trrrol Toll: or buying neighbouring pieces
21:33:34 Rem Nightfire: maybe i missed it
21:33:37 Talarus Luan: Basically, we would like a few folks to take point in helping us organize the various teams. That's what the Team Lead role is about.
21:34:06 Talarus Luan: Again, this is just organizational discussion, not the actions themselves. We will get to that in just a few.
21:34:26 Trrrol Toll: ok
21:34:36 Rem Nightfire: ok
21:35:18 Esther Merryman: I can help but am constrained by time available
21:35:27 Talarus Luan: If we have everyone just out doing everything all higgledy-piggledy, we will have duplication of effort and also have gaping holes in our overall efforts, so the goal is to get some focus on the organization itself.
21:35:37 Timo Daehlie: we can work in shifts esther ;)
21:35:43 Esther Merryman: Yes that makes sense
21:36:08 Esther Merryman: It does seem a bit fractured at the minute our efforts
21:36:27 Timo Daehlie: a good plan is half the work
21:36:29 Talarus Luan: Anyone can work on any or all of the teams as a member, but it would work best if folks in the Lead positions focused on the organization for that specific project area, at least as much as possible.
21:37:12 Klaatu Congrejo: I have one comment Talarus...
21:37:35 Talarus Luan: Just like organizing the overall effort takes time, the Team leads will also require a goodly amount of time to manage the team's effort. :)
21:38:11 Talarus Luan: However, we don't want everyone killing themselves over this; we need it done, yes, but it is counter-productive to the effort to burn oneself out on it.
21:38:18 Klaatu Congrejo: many of us here have our own individual projects for dealing with this issue, I have a concern that this may all become homogenised and be seen as the efforts of just one group.
21:38:45 Klaatu Congrejo: Isn't it better to present this moe as a 'coalition' of groups working as individuals for a common goal?
21:38:59 Talarus Luan: I can understand that, as I also have a Land Recovery project which also is independent of the Land Zoo.
21:39:08 Trrrol Toll: then we have to collect it in some pamphlet
21:39:37 Hekate Galatea: That is a good idea - a publication of some kind listing the groups and their effots.
21:39:42 Hekate Galatea: efforts.
21:39:56 Trrrol Toll: yes....sure it gives space for theindividual actions...
21:39:59 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes Hekate, thats exactly what I'm suggesting.
21:40:01 Talarus Luan: However, I am throwing my support behind the Ad Zoo publicly, because it is easier for the people to focus on one organization, at least as a clearinghouse, than to try and figure out who does what.
21:40:10 Trrrol Toll: and shows collaboration
21:40:15 Esther Merryman: Maybe an article in one of the SL newspapers
21:40:32 Trrrol Toll: a column...
21:40:40 Rem Nightfire: jsut another comment it seems like there is q a bit of overlap among groups 3, 4, and 5
21:40:44 Trrrol Toll: each week a new approach of the same subject
21:40:46 Klaatu Congrejo: It looks more powerful to see there are many groups & individuals working together, rather than be seen as the efforts of one group.
21:40:52 Esther Merryman: there has not been much of a follow up after the Lindens acted in Feb
21:40:55 Hekate Galatea: I have been wanting to make a freebie box to put on my land, with information and fun things for people to introduce them to this in a fun way. A list of participating groups would be a nice addition.
21:41:04 Talarus Luan: We don't want you to abandon your projects for this movement. That's not the point. However, this movement is about more than what any one project out there is doing, as we all have our own ways of fighting the problem.
21:41:13 Xerses Goff: There are a few common points that everyone agrees on, and several have other focus, a communcitiona effort supported by a number of groups might carry more wight, though I would be fine with Ad Zoo carry the lead.
21:41:23 Timo Daehlie: also i mention other groups all over this land
21:41:26 Talarus Luan: What we are doing is coming together under one banner to fight.
21:41:29 Esther Merryman: Yes we have land appearing by each other
21:41:43 Rem Nightfire: yes
21:42:01 Klaatu Congrejo: So the Ad Zoo is to be seen more as a 'clearing house' and melting pot of ideas?
21:42:08 Esther Merryman: any other group is welcome to my plots if they link in btw
21:42:19 Talarus Luan: I believe all of our goals are the same: to eradicate the land extortionists, adcutters/farmers and other land griefing parasites from the mainland once and for all.
21:42:30 Esther Merryman: Deffo
21:42:48 Hekate Galatea: I think that having individual groups recognized will make it seem more legitimate.
21:42:52 Xerses Goff: yes
21:43:04 Hekate Galatea: Not just a group of rabble rousers, but a good cross section.
21:43:07 Klaatu Congrejo: Exactly my point Talarus. Common goal, individual efforts combined.
21:43:13 Rem Nightfire: i think the coalition idea is a powerful one
21:43:23 Esther Merryman: me to
21:43:31 Trrrol Toll: yep, absolutely
21:44:05 Esther Merryman: but as groups we still need to be organised
21:44:18 Esther Merryman: in what actions we take
21:44:20 Rem Nightfire: yes
21:44:21 Trrrol Toll: Actions individually according each others interests...communication can be standardised
21:44:28 Talarus Luan: This isn't and shouldn't be looked at as "The Ad Zoo's effort", or "ADLRP's effort", or "
21:44:40 Rem Nightfire: agreed
21:44:56 Klaatu Congrejo: Exactly. Sorry, just wanted to clarify that.
21:44:59 Xerses Goff: sorry I have to run to a graduation party. I will check the notes. If anyone is not part of our Clocktower Forum, I am dropping a registration pass in the middel you can grab.
21:45:12 Timo Daehlie: thx xerses ;)
21:45:19 Esther Merryman: Ok thanks
21:45:20 Hekate Galatea: thanks, enjoy the party.
21:45:29 Talarus Luan: We definitely are in agreement that your individual efforts will all be key in making our goals happen.
21:45:33 Xerses Goff: good luck and thanks alot for putting this together ad all yoyur hard efforts.
21:45:36 Klaatu Congrejo: Bye Xerses.
21:45:50 Esther Merryman: BYe enjoy your party#
21:45:52 Talarus Luan: Not just your organizations themselves, but your *personal* efforts, too.
21:46:46 Talarus Luan: This movement is nothing more than the united front we are presenting to the public, to LL, and, most importantly, to the parasites themselves, to let them know the gig is up.
21:46:53 Timo Daehlie: maybe we should come with a kind of name for this project that refers to several groups
21:46:57 Klaatu Congrejo: I propose that our individual efforts should include links to this forum, when we hand out information.
21:47:13 Hekate Galatea: Agreed.
21:47:25 Trrrol Toll: good idea
21:47:28 Hekate Galatea: I'd like to have some name to put on the blog...it's blank right now.
21:47:31 Esther Merryman: sounds a great idea Klaatu
21:47:40 Talarus Luan: Much like TAG is a consortium of advertisers.
21:47:49 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes.
21:47:53 Trrrol Toll: Or Arbor?
21:47:55 Talarus Luan: Though I deign to compare their goals to ours, the organization is the same.
21:48:29 Talarus Luan: OK. Everyone good with those answers? :)
21:48:50 Klaatu Congrejo: Well, Arbor is just another group in this forum. Not as an overall title.
21:49:24 Kaylan Draken: sorry all i have to go its getting late here
21:49:39 Klaatu Congrejo: See ya around Kaylan.
21:49:42 Esther Merryman: Bye Kaylan Take care
21:49:43 Timo Daehlie: thanks for coming kaylan i keep you up to date
21:49:45 Rem Nightfire: bye
21:49:46 Talarus Luan: OK. Next on the agenda: New creations and materials
21:49:49 rm Sirbu: bye
21:50:10 Trrrol Toll: yes sorry I have to go as well....be sure of my support and reading the minutes
21:50:14 Talarus Luan: Timo can talk about the Ad Zoo changes. :)
21:50:22 Timo Daehlie: yes ;)
21:50:32 Klaatu Congrejo: Bye Trrrol mate.
21:50:34 Esther Merryman: bye trrrol
21:50:35 Talarus Luan: Take care, Trrrol
21:50:52 Talarus Luan: Timo?
21:51:01 Timo Daehlie: i ve change the concept a bit to create some more space and in order to give attention to what other groups are doing ..
21:51:38 Timo Daehlie: what i would like is to have prefab solutions to place over small plots or nearby them..
21:52:03 Timo Daehlie: we can spread them out for free so residents will place them instead of buing them out
21:52:06 Rem Nightfire: there are klaatus fountains
21:52:10 [Cup of Coffee]: Mmmm
21:52:13 Timo Daehlie: yeps
21:52:17 Timo Daehlie: and his booths
21:52:24 Klaatu Congrejo: I have that sort of thing going on already Timo.
21:52:31 Rem Nightfire: and i have the caution signs
21:52:40 Klaatu Congrejo: I made a 2prim infobooth which can be put on a small plot.
21:52:43 Esther Merryman: the signs i use do that
21:52:55 Timo Daehlie: well if you can give me those i can hand them out here too
21:53:08 Hekate Galatea: I used to do small installation art, but got discouraged.
21:53:15 Klaatu Congrejo: Inside can be put free things like Landmine pack, AZoo packs, etc.
21:53:44 Talarus Luan: Probably would be good to have a wide selection of signs and items, though it would be good to add a little bit of homogeniety to each so that we have "quick recognition".
21:53:51 Timo Daehlie: cool .. if you can send me an invite or tp i can make photoos of it too
21:53:53 Klaatu Congrejo: I'll put together a package for you Timo and pass to you today (tomorrow your time).
21:53:57 Timo Daehlie: cool ;)
21:54:07 Hekate Galatea: We need a logo!
21:54:19 Timo Daehlie: also i like to work together with some working on these objects
21:54:22 Hekate Galatea: I suppose a name is first though..
21:54:37 Klaatu Congrejo: I think Timo's placards are a great logo - on the wall behind you Hekate.
21:54:44 Rem Nightfire: yes
21:54:47 Hekate Galatea: I love to build and create textures, if that helps at all.
21:54:52 Timo Daehlie: we can make like a complete collection : think of obelisks... clocktowers.... watchtowers etc
21:54:58 Klaatu Congrejo: Great work Timo.
21:55:10 Timo Daehlie: ;))
21:55:47 Timo Daehlie: also from donated money i buy land that goes to arbor ..
21:56:08 Esther Merryman: We need to keep in touch though so our individual groups dont end up targeting the same areas
21:56:14 Rem Nightfire: folks i need to leave- sign me up for groups 2 and 5
21:56:19 Timo Daehlie: now it goes empy to them .. but, refering to previous point, it would be cool to have a team that clears up the landscape before it goes to arbor
21:56:25 Timo Daehlie: note rem ;)
21:56:32 Klaatu Congrejo: Bye Rem, take care.
21:56:37 Talarus Luan: Take care Rem
21:56:48 Rem Nightfire: so long everyone great work
21:56:49 Esther Merryman: I Bye rem catch you later
21:57:11 Klaatu Congrejo: Agree Esther, and I think thats what this forum should be seen as - a place to keep in touch and co-ordinate our efforts.
21:57:17 Talarus Luan: OK. Anything more you want to say about the changes to the Zoo here, Timo?
21:57:20 Klaatu Congrejo: Oh... she's gone. ha ha
21:57:33 Esther Merryman: Who me
21:57:41 Klaatu Congrejo: Oh sorry. There you are?
21:57:42 Timo Daehlie: well i only need some days to fininsh decorations but thats just small details
21:57:45 Esther Merryman: lol
21:58:08 Klaatu Congrejo: You disappeared off my viewer for a sec. Strange!
21:58:10 Talarus Luan: Cool. Well, I encourage everyone who hasn't had the chance to look around. Lots of new things here. :0
21:58:13 Talarus Luan: :)
21:58:34 Talarus Luan: Tal Chernov and Timo have worked up an information booth as well.
21:58:37 Esther Merryman: #I will have a good look like the info boards
21:58:39 Timo Daehlie: i ll show
21:58:53 Esther Merryman: on protecting your land from the spammers
21:59:33 Timo Daehlie: yes we can work on a collection of warning signs as well esther
21:59:47 Esther Merryman: cool
21:59:52 Timo Daehlie: to encourage people not to buy overpriced 16's and to avid them urls
22:00:05 Joshua Philgarlic: Hi 2 all!
22:00:08 Timo Daehlie: hi joshua ! ;)
22:00:10 Klaatu Congrejo: Rem made a great 'Caution' sign warning ppl about extortionists.
22:00:18 Joshua Philgarlic: H Timo :-)
22:00:21 Timo Daehlie: cool klaatu i ask rem ;)
22:00:25 Klaatu Congrejo: Hi Joshua
22:00:26 Esther Merryman: yes i tell people via my land to AR the plot holders for HARASSMENT
22:00:56 Timo Daehlie: hehehe ;)
22:01:14 Timo Daehlie: ok talrus
22:01:17 Timo Daehlie: point 4
22:01:26 Klaatu Congrejo: In my freebie fountains on the adplots I have a note explaining how ppl can file ARs (for those who are new at that sort of thing).
22:01:34 Esther Merryman: the hope is that people thinking of buying the small plots to regain their view will take that action instead
22:01:58 Talarus Luan: We also submitted a set of basic proposals to LL to help them shape their future policies, which leads into point 4
22:02:02 Esther Merryman: could i get a copy of that Klaatu
22:02:15 Esther Merryman: i think notecards are the way to go
22:02:22 Melodie Darwin: sorry I gotta run, sign me up for groups 3 and 4. have a good night
22:02:31 Talarus Luan: Alright. Take care Melodie :)
22:02:32 Timo Daehlie: i will melodie ;))
22:02:54 Esther Merryman: bye melodie
22:02:57 Esther Merryman: take care
22:03:16 Esther Merryman: thanks Klaatu
22:03:18 Esther Merryman: thanks Klaatu
22:03:19 Talarus Luan: We put in 4 proposals for dealing with land extortionists, and I outlined a policy about mainland advertisement.
22:04:22 Talarus Luan: That middle giver will give the notecard I gave to Jack Linden.
22:04:45 Talarus Luan: Have a look and feel free to comment. :)
22:05:10 Talarus Luan: We met with Jack Linden on Wednesday, and plan to continue our presence there every week
22:05:27 Talarus Luan: We also had a heads up that TAG was going to be represented.
22:05:56 Timo Daehlie: The Advertisors Guilde
22:06:00 Talarus Luan: and they were there trying to get LL to implement a policy which could give them a monopoly on public billboard-type advertising on the mainland
22:06:07 Timo Daehlie: they teamed up somehow
22:06:25 Hekate Galatea: aren't monopolies against the spirit of SL?
22:06:30 Talarus Luan: They claim to have their act cleaned up and now all adhere to a "code of ethics".
22:06:45 Filbert Holmer:
22:06:47 Talarus Luan: Well, they of course would never intimate that is what they were up to
22:06:57 Hekate Galatea: Reminds me of Clear Channel, in RL
22:07:01 Talarus Luan: yes.
22:07:17 Esther Merryman: I dont think ad verts should be banned wholesale
22:07:23 Klaatu Congrejo: Thats why its so important we have representation at those office hours Talarus. roster me for that if needed.
22:07:31 Talarus Luan: OK
22:07:33 Esther Merryman: but there should be strict guidlines
22:07:46 Timo Daehlie: hello drongle ;)
22:07:58 Esther Merryman: reasonable sizes
22:08:11 Talarus Luan: I outlined a set of strict guidelines in my proposal, but I think people may find them too strict.
22:08:15 Esther Merryman: and positions
22:08:16 Drongle McMahon: Sorry I'm late
22:08:24 Esther Merryman: still reading it
22:08:35 Timo Daehlie: it will all be saved drongle ;)
22:08:36 Klaatu Congrejo: Better to be strict as a proposal. Leaves room to 'negotiate'.
22:08:41 Talarus Luan: Yes
22:08:57 Esther Merryman: that proposal of 512 plots
22:09:00 Talarus Luan: Well, I am simply against public billboard-type advertising
22:09:12 Klaatu Congrejo: I agree there Talarus.
22:09:18 Esther Merryman: will just cause problems for people like weedy
22:09:28 Talarus Luan: Except in the case of advertising your own business PRESENT at the site of advertisement
22:09:32 Klaatu Congrejo: We see enough of that in RL. I think we can do better in SL.
22:09:38 Esther Merryman: he has only 16sqm
22:09:43 Talarus Luan: Yes, that is noted in the side effects
22:09:55 Esther Merryman: oh sorry
22:10:17 Talarus Luan: Most of those proposals are not postage-stamps-collector friendly
22:10:28 Talarus Luan: The Advertising proposal is at the bottom
22:10:48 Talarus Luan: The first ones are Land Extortionist eradication proposals
22:11:30 Hekate Galatea: Is there anything in there about ad-ing near public roads, that actually bleed over onto the roads?
22:11:35 Esther Merryman: why not just ban advertising on plots smaller than 512
22:11:54 Talarus Luan: Anyway, at the meeting, they argued hard for a things like licensing advertisers and requiring RL incorporation, etc
22:11:59 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes, good idea Esther.
22:12:02 Esther Merryman: that way it is simple to understand the rule
22:12:21 Esther Merryman: more likely to be acted on by linden labs
22:12:30 Hekate Galatea: there might be a problem defining "advertising" though.
22:12:32 Talarus Luan: Well, it is pretty simple to understand no external ad signs for anything not present on the plot. :)
22:12:55 Talarus Luan: if you advertise a club on an external sign, and there is no club there, it gets nuked
22:13:11 Esther Merryman: but still use the HARASSMENT to prevent deliderate spamming by many individuals within the plot
22:13:24 Hekate Galatea: For example, could they tell one of us, who has bought a small plot of land in order to block an adfarm, that we are"advertising" our group?
22:13:35 Talarus Luan: You can, however, advertise a club on a sign *inside* a mall, for example.
22:13:54 Timo Daehlie: keep it sl related and attractive to the eye
22:14:17 Esther Merryman: if linden labs blocks adfarming successfully i will gladly give all my plots to the arbour project anyway
22:14:22 Talarus Luan: yes, my policy would be an antithesis to the effort on land extortionists. :)
22:14:52 Talarus Luan: However, the builds can be easily changed to not be advertisements. :)
22:14:55 Esther Merryman: so that shouldnt matter to much Hekate
22:14:57 Hekate Galatea: I'm just worried that any legislation against ads might be used against those who do small-plot anti-ads.
22:15:28 Esther Merryman: Yes it may do but if it stops all the ads
22:15:46 Klaatu Congrejo: Thats why I think the 'notecard-giver' giver idea is the way to go Hekate. Less intrusive than 'in your face' advertising boards.
22:15:51 Talarus Luan: Is one reason I tend to segregate the efforts of fighting adverising with fighting land extortion
22:15:54 Esther Merryman: then we wont need the small anti ad plots any more:-)
22:16:03 Talarus Luan: LL has already done pretty well with forcing them to be one or the other
22:16:09 Talarus Luan: With the adfarm ban
22:16:22 Esther Merryman: the trouble is Talarus they are linked
22:16:33 Talarus Luan: However, now we have lots of adverts, or lots of empty small plots set for sale at ridiculous prices.
22:16:37 Esther Merryman: in alot of cases
22:16:41 Hekate Galatea: true. but if it takes time for linden to police submitted areas, who's to say they won't slam us before others?
22:16:45 Talarus Luan: Yes, they are. Often very subtly.
22:17:04 Esther Merryman: This example happened to me
22:17:23 Esther Merryman: Kalyrra heart had a huge tower near my land
22:17:30 Esther Merryman: not set for sale
22:17:32 Hekate Galatea: I guess I don't have much faith in the system working in our favor when the other side has lower ethical standards.
22:17:38 Talarus Luan: The point in segregating the effort is that I would like to focus primarily on the worst problem, which is small plot extortion, and sidereally on advertisers.
22:17:46 Esther Merryman: but very disturbing to the view
22:18:10 Talarus Luan: Yes, Kalyrra Heart works with Primlands. May even be the same person.
22:18:21 Esther Merryman: then another ad plot seller had a plot for 9995l
22:18:27 Esther Merryman: yes Austin Hallard
22:18:32 Talarus Luan: If Primlands plots don't sell, she takes them over and puts up her ad obelisks
22:18:36 Esther Merryman: thats him
22:18:49 Esther Merryman: yes exactly what happened to me
22:19:01 Talarus Luan: Austin is most definitely an alt
22:19:18 Esther Merryman: he gave her the land to build a second tower as i wouldnt pay 9995
22:19:36 Talarus Luan: So, in the most likely scenario, fighting the land extortionists will most likely get rid of some of the advertiser problem, too.
22:19:42 Esther Merryman: so it is still ad farming
22:19:55 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes definitely - agree there Talarus.
22:19:57 Esther Merryman: even if the adverts seem legite
22:19:59 Talarus Luan: Well, I have no dooubt she is primary tier-giver to Primlands, if not Austin herself.
22:20:03 Talarus Luan: *himself
22:20:20 Klaatu Congrejo: We need a strategy to fight extortionists first, then battle against adfarmers will be easier (in my opinion).
22:20:25 Timo Daehlie: cytherea ..gnusense .. kalyrra .. austin .. robo .. probably are at a same kind of table as we are today
22:20:38 Esther Merryman: i dont know though as 16sqm is quite cheap on tier
22:20:42 Hekate Galatea: Do we have a solid set of definitions to be applied to adfarmers/admongers? This might be useful.
22:20:52 Esther Merryman: and they may keep them out of spite
22:21:00 Talarus Luan: Actually, we have seen that.. Robo, Cytherea, Primlands, and Kalyrra have all been trading a lot of land of late.
22:21:05 Timo Daehlie: you can irritate 32 residents with no tier costs esthere
22:21:13 Timo Daehlie: if you divide a 512 and deed it to group even 34
22:21:20 Timo Daehlie: 34 possibilities to sell
22:21:22 Talarus Luan: Hekate: That is what we must do.
22:21:27 Esther Merryman: yes
22:21:31 Esther Merryman: i have 32 16sqm plots myself now
22:21:34 Esther Merryman: lol
22:22:02 Esther Merryman: and mine are deeded
22:22:06 Talarus Luan: Land Extortionists are people who use buy/cut/sell land specifically to extort money from others.
22:22:31 Hekate Galatea: and by "extort", what would the line be, as far as cost?
22:22:51 Timo Daehlie: atm i think anythin below 8.0
22:22:53 Talarus Luan: The specific mechanisms vary greatly, and LL has squashed some of them, but in the end, the result is the same: High priced small plots that make you want to "buy them out" to get rid of them, for whatever reason.
22:23:04 Klaatu Congrejo: L$5 per metre is the current goijng rate, so L$80 would be a fair price for a 16
22:23:07 Timo Daehlie: or swapping or coorporation
22:23:09 Hekate Galatea: I worked with lawyers for years, the more specific we can be, the better.
22:23:35 Talarus Luan: We've said in the War Declaration that more than double the median market rate is extortive.
22:23:39 Klaatu Congrejo: I never buy anything more than L5 per metre.
22:23:51 Esther Merryman: yes but you have to be fair and say 4 times that for prime spots to a legitimate advertiser
22:24:04 Talarus Luan: Presently, I still offer L$10/sqm for them, but that may change.
22:24:07 Hekate Galatea: Could it be relative to the location?
22:24:09 Esther Merryman: as i have looked around
22:24:19 Hekate Galatea: Land value's for the local area could be the benchmark.
22:24:25 Esther Merryman: they do seem to be buying roadside protected lots
22:24:28 Timo Daehlie: who says road is for ad spots ?
22:24:30 Klaatu Congrejo: Prime spots are usually the most annoying for other residents too. Roadsides, corners, etc.
22:24:34 Timo Daehlie: they made that idea
22:24:52 Timo Daehlie: i never see 50 meter high towers innear roads in rl
22:24:57 Hekate Galatea: I don't understand the roadside thing - who drives on them to see them?
22:25:02 Esther Merryman: yes but you can see they are using that to appear legitimate
22:25:07 Talarus Luan: If someone could give me a reasonable definition of "prime location", sure. However, in a world where P2P teleport is the normal mode of travel, places like roadsides are no more "prime" than in the middle of a sim
22:25:16 Timo Daehlie: only will cause traffic accidents
22:25:24 Esther Merryman: it means no one can block the eyesore on one side
22:25:38 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes Talarus, and thats the most amusing aspect of the exercise, ha ha
22:25:41 Esther Merryman: that is the reason they are doing it
22:25:52 Drongle McMahon: Polts with banlines next to roads stop people using them properly.
22:25:55 Talarus Luan: That's about the only reason that is even remotely valid, but I certainly have no desire to allow for it myself. :)
22:26:07 Klaatu Congrejo: Good idea Drongle.
22:26:08 Hekate Galatea: In bowfin, there was an issue with the ads actually blocking the road.
22:26:19 Esther Merryman: it also lends more weight to their argument of legitimate advertising
22:26:25 Drongle McMahon: RM is using banlines instead of adverts now.
22:26:27 Hekate Galatea: since Linden's never responded to complaints, they were halfway across the road.
22:27:11 Talarus Luan: Ok. We've drifted a bit from the Jack Linden meeting into the opening of second-stage planning and prep.
22:27:15 Esther Merryman: means they can up the land price saying it is a prime location i can see it as i travel around looking for cheap plots
22:27:22 Talarus Luan: Which is fine. Just want to keep us aware of the agenda. :)
22:27:35 Klaatu Congrejo: Banlines on vacant 16m blocks are also used as a way to make ppl with adjoining land to buy the land. So they can get rid of the annoying banlines.
22:27:41 Drongle McMahon: The prices are extortionate ... maybe a test case is needed to see if LL will treat banlines on high price plots s abuse?
22:27:54 Esther Merryman: yes seen that to
22:27:57 Timo Daehlie: there is a plot inside the zoo of 999.999 L$
22:27:59 Talarus Luan: Does anyone have any questions or comments about the meeting with Jack Linden? I think the transcript is posted in the Wiki.
22:28:05 Timo Daehlie: i did ars but no reaction
22:28:14 Esther Merryman: i have already ared a few
22:28:21 Klaatu Congrejo: The example I just mentioned Drongle is proof of 16m vacant land used as a weapon to harass.
22:28:31 Esther Merryman: how long do the lindens take to act
22:28:39 Talarus Luan: On ARs?
22:28:42 Talarus Luan: Varies.
22:28:44 Hekate Galatea: forever.
22:28:45 Esther Merryman: yes
22:28:46 Filbert Holmer: It takes them about a week
22:28:57 Talarus Luan: You can get in an hour, or it may take weeks
22:29:07 Esther Merryman: Wel they are not acting on mine then
22:29:09 Hekate Galatea: I gave up and sold some plots because they never responded.
22:29:23 Talarus Luan: Well, that's one thing that we can help on.
22:29:53 Timo Daehlie: maybe we should do some kind of comminucation inworld in order to have about 30 avaters at a scene to file an abuse report
22:30:03 Talarus Luan: Since we are making the effort to be in Jack's face, and I can also be at the Governance meetings on Wed and Sat, we can also take stacks of ARs for them to get priority on
22:30:10 Klaatu Congrejo: Great.
22:30:11 Hekate Galatea: A thought - we need to make sure that anyone involved in this effort keeps it clean.
22:30:18 Talarus Luan: Yes.
22:30:26 Klaatu Congrejo: And we need to pressure LL into having some consistency for response to ARs.
22:30:30 Esther Merryman: yes that would be great
22:30:34 Talarus Luan: Professional, polite, and absolutely determined and committed.
22:30:49 Hekate Galatea: I've had land blocked by people with megaprims - their effort to keep ads out.
22:31:02 Hekate Galatea: Same goal, but not the right way to achieve it.
22:31:04 Esther Merryman: but LL will only listen if there are mainy avs involved
22:31:06 Talarus Luan: Stay within the ToS and the rules, and we will win the respect and support of the majority of the residents we appeal to
22:31:18 Timo Daehlie: we are representing many groups esther
22:31:31 Timo Daehlie: much landbarons are involved too
22:31:59 Esther Merryman: more than thirty by which i mean different avatars it will be no good if the same avs keep on filing all of the Reports
22:32:08 Talarus Luan: As mentioned earlier, we have only a few people here at these meetings right now, but we are just getting started, and we really need to get out there and recruit
22:32:19 Esther Merryman: as we could also be branded as trouble makers
22:32:36 Timo Daehlie: no worry for that ;)
22:32:41 Esther Merryman: yes agreed on that
22:32:48 Talarus Luan: Oh, I have no problems being branded as a trouble-maker. I WANT to make trouble, ESPECIALLY for our enemies
22:32:52 Hekate Galatea: understood - we need to show a solid front, rather than have a couple people initiating all contact.
22:33:19 Talarus Luan: However, no one will be able to point at my words or deeds and say "that is against the rules!".
22:33:27 Esther Merryman: yes but still be listened to
22:33:36 Talarus Luan: They don't have much choice. ;)
22:33:52 Talarus Luan: We are there and as we grow, they will HAVE to listen to us
22:33:55 Esther Merryman: we need to be active firm and organised
22:33:59 Hekate Galatea: We need to differentiate ourselves as legitimate, not 4-year olds throwing fits.
22:34:10 Esther Merryman: yes i agree
22:34:21 Talarus Luan: Yes, we are going to be mature and responsible. :)
22:34:28 Esther Merryman: otherwise LL will just ignore us
22:34:33 Hekate Galatea: (although I must say I've thrown a fit or two over this, in private)
22:34:40 Esther Merryman: lol
22:34:44 Esther Merryman: me to
22:34:58 Talarus Luan: LL won't ignore us, don't worry about that. ;)
22:35:15 Klaatu Congrejo: Sorry guys, just crashed there.
22:35:23 Timo Daehlie: wb ;)
22:35:44 Talarus Luan: If you read any of the JL transcripts, you will see that we present our case aggressively, but with professionalism and tact.
22:35:50 Esther Merryman: I am just glad I am not the only one who is against this unscrupulus practice
22:36:24 Talarus Luan: You aren't, and that cuts straight to the core of what this movement is all about... talking to everyone and letting them know they are not alone, either.
22:36:30 Esther Merryman: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*
22:36:32 Esther Merryman: Klaatu
22:36:46 Klaatu Congrejo: Thx Esther :)
22:36:57 Talarus Luan: Showing people how to fight them, and resist the urge to buy them out.
22:37:07 Talarus Luan: Show them how to creatively reclaim their view.
22:37:24 Esther Merryman: This place is great as it informs other Avatars what course of action they can take to
22:37:35 Klaatu Congrejo: Land description on all my parks and reclaimed adplots reads: Get informed, get support, get involved - and become part of the solution!"
22:37:45 Esther Merryman: education is just as important as action
22:37:50 Talarus Luan: If we sweep the grid, I can assure you, we will most certainly get LL's attention
22:38:33 Esther Merryman: Yep your parks are great Klaatu
22:38:54 Talarus Luan: We already do have their attention, though. Jack is actually a good sort, but he is limited by his role to do much about it without the other Lindens, which is why we go to him and provide everythign we can about the problem
22:39:05 Talarus Luan: Because he will be the one to chamion it with the rest of LL.
22:39:09 Talarus Luan: *champion
22:39:32 Talarus Luan: OK.
22:39:49 Esther Merryman: Great
22:40:21 Esther Merryman: Surely they can see the damage it causes to their Mainland grid to
22:40:41 Timo Daehlie: we neeed a collection of photos with proves
22:40:43 Klaatu Congrejo: Can I also propose we ask ppl to send us (as a group or individuals) copies of their ARs - as a 'witness statement' kind of document to be presented to LL as part of our talks with them at a later date?
22:40:51 Talarus Luan: What we really need to do next is to get our organization going. I would advise, for now, self-assembling ourselves into our respective teams, and let's start getting our strategies, tools, content, etc made up.
22:41:00 Esther Merryman: at the moment SL has no real competition in its specific area
22:41:03 Klaatu Congrejo: Witness statements could/should include photos too, yes Timo.
22:41:20 Talarus Luan: Team Leads will naturally arise in the groups.
22:41:38 Talarus Luan: Volunteers are always welcome. :)
22:41:43 Esther Merryman: but as other 3d worlds develop like active worlds, open sims become active
22:42:10 Esther Merryman: LL could feel the backlash from not acting
22:42:15 Klaatu Congrejo: I volunteer to become a sort of liaison, or information disseminator via my parks and info-booth network.
22:42:33 Klaatu Congrejo: 'Ambassador' is one of the teams?
22:42:56 Esther Merryman: I looked to see if there was anything else to go to game wise
22:43:00 Talarus Luan: Klaatu - I am not sure it is within the ToS to share/publicize ARs, because LL operates solely from the point of view that those are private matters, so it wouldn't help us to have the details. However, maybe some distillation and statistics would be useful.
22:43:12 Talarus Luan: yes.
22:43:15 Esther Merryman: because of disgust in this particular problem
22:43:17 Klaatu Congrejo: OK.
22:43:29 Esther Merryman: how many others have done the same thing
22:43:31 Talarus Luan: Ambassadors are liaisons to inworld/outworld news and information outlets, like blogs
22:43:44 Hekate Galatea: I have a blog set up for this.
22:43:51 Talarus Luan: Aye :)
22:43:58 Hekate Galatea: Anyone is welcome to register, and I will make you able to post.
22:44:02 Timo Daehlie: there is link on the wall
22:44:09 Talarus Luan: but we need to publicize it and the rest of the group activities, like with Reuters, CNN, etc
22:44:34 Hekate Galatea: I was wondering about that, do you really think that those news outlets will be interested?
22:44:53 Talarus Luan: Gads, have you seen some of the more trivial junk they report about in SL?
22:45:00 Drongle McMahon: Only if there is some scandal involved.
22:45:10 Hekate Galatea: I would understand contacting Wired, they have a base here, but the others?
22:45:13 Talarus Luan: A grid-wide effort to eradicate land extortion
22:45:22 Talarus Luan: Reuters is definitely here
22:45:36 Klaatu Congrejo: One of my parks seems to have become a hangout for hookers. Thats a scandal isn't it? ha ha
22:45:51 Timo Daehlie: is it PG ? )
22:45:52 Drongle McMahon: :-)
22:45:56 Esther Merryman: Ithink the news blogs will be interested
22:45:58 Hekate Galatea: Wired is more specifically interested in computery stuff, might be a point to them.
22:46:02 Esther Merryman: as they ran articles back in march
22:46:04 Talarus Luan: But, that is the job of the Ambassador Team. To locate, share with, and write up press releases for those outlets.
22:46:34 Klaatu Congrejo: Its PG timo, but they seem to meet 'clients ' there. ha!
22:46:46 Hekate Galatea: Creepy.
22:46:50 Esther Merryman: Reuters and SL Herald had articles
22:46:53 Timo Daehlie: put down donation yar ;))
22:47:06 Klaatu Congrejo: Hey, good idea, lol
22:47:13 Timo Daehlie: :)))
22:47:19 Klaatu Congrejo: But wouldn't that make me a pimp?
22:47:28 Timo Daehlie: no no
22:47:42 Timo Daehlie: say your money goes to church ;))
22:47:48 Esther Merryman: lol
22:47:50 Klaatu Congrejo: ha ha , yes!
22:48:06 Timo Daehlie: ;)))
22:48:39 Timo Daehlie: so i can note klaatu and hekate as ambassadors ?
22:48:41 Talarus Luan: OK. Coming up on our 2 hour limit here. :)
22:49:08 Hekate Galatea: sure
22:49:22 Hekate Galatea: I'd like to be in the creator group as well.
22:49:33 Timo Daehlie: coolio
22:49:35 Talarus Luan: Let's talk about next meeting... Can everyone do a bit of documenting their efforts and offer their input on strategy for the next meeting? :)
22:49:42 Klaatu Congrejo: I'm a TV research journalist in RL (mainly scientific and environmental stuff), so I'm happy to do some 'reporting'.
22:50:11 Timo Daehlie: i am the creating part too
22:50:28 Drongle McMahon: I think research is needed. To provide hard evidence of extortion.
22:50:31 Talarus Luan: I would like to get people assembled into their groups and start focusing more on the task(s) at hand, getting the work together and coming up with a plan of action to start rolling this out ASAP. :)
22:50:40 Talarus Luan: We have it, Drongle. :)
22:50:42 Talarus Luan: LOTS of it
22:50:48 Timo Daehlie: more proves is welcome
22:50:52 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes, agreed Drongle. Is there a role for me there too Talarus?
22:50:57 Talarus Luan: yes, more proof all the time.
22:50:59 Hekate Galatea: I'd like ideas on what to put in the side bar of the blog. If any of you want your websites (SL related) on there, please let me know.
22:51:05 Kyrion Yalin: as i told last time, i will be the translator for portuguese and french, so you can give me your information to translate when you want it to be translated
22:51:26 Timo Daehlie: www.slookinglass.com hekate
22:51:33 Talarus Luan: Klaatu, everyone is encouraged to volunteer for as many teams as they wish. :)
22:51:41 Kyrion Yalin: it will be good if we could have some more translators for other languages
22:51:47 Klaatu Congrejo: Great Kyrion, is there a group in SL that can put us in contact with other language groups?
22:51:51 Timo Daehlie: i can do dutch
22:51:56 Timo Daehlie: german too
22:52:07 Talarus Luan: I can do Elder Dragon tongue... :D
22:52:19 Esther Merryman: I can volunteer for some
22:52:21 Kyrion Yalin: i can put us in contact with portuguese groups
22:52:23 Timo Daehlie: anyone french ?
22:52:33 Klaatu Congrejo: ha haTalarus.
22:52:52 Kyrion Yalin: i can can translate in drow, too :D
22:52:55 Esther Merryman: what creator group probably best for me
22:53:10 Talarus Luan: No, seriously, we definitely need as much translation as possible. I might be able to enlist the aid of some of the Isle of Wyrms translation team
22:53:23 Talarus Luan: Alright, Esther. :)
22:53:30 Esther Merryman: or warrior/recruiter
22:53:47 Talarus Luan: I think most everyone will be a Warrior, at least in their home sim :)
22:53:56 Talarus Luan: I am the Warrior of Great Pubnico. ;)
22:53:58 Kyrion Yalin: yes, Talarus, it is a very good group, the IoW translator team
22:54:34 Kyrion Yalin: and they will surelly help
22:54:38 Talarus Luan: Aye, quite a few of them live/work/play on the mainland and also lament how it has turned to crap from the parasites.
22:54:43 Timo Daehlie: japanese would be good too
22:54:47 Timo Daehlie: they are around with many
22:55:03 Timo Daehlie: i can ask the panda or slo project
22:55:11 Kyrion Yalin: i can ask to my daughter to translate to japanese
22:55:20 Timo Daehlie: ;))
22:55:27 Klaatu Congrejo: Oh, there is a Japanese group doing the same work as us. Buying up 16m blocks and putting flowers on them. Forgot the name, but seen them around.
22:55:33 Timo Daehlie: you ll be able to be online there ? :)
22:55:54 Esther Merryman: someone should talk to them
22:55:55 Talarus Luan: It will definitely be needed for the Warriors who cover the Korean and Jappanese mainland
22:55:59 Timo Daehlie: si know them ;)
22:56:03 Timo Daehlie: slo project
22:56:23 Esther Merryman: the more we can all link up the better our effect will be
22:56:30 Klaatu Congrejo: Yes, I think thats them Timo. Thx for that.
22:56:35 Timo Daehlie: tough communication with them cause nearly one speaks english but there must be one in them groups
22:56:39 Timo Daehlie: ;)
22:57:05 Talarus Luan: Qie may be able to help us. I think he is multilingual.
22:57:12 Esther Merryman: I have a japanese speaking friend
22:57:28 Esther Merryman: he might help out
22:57:29 Timo Daehlie: so here we go ;)
22:59:10 Talarus Luan: Alrighty. So, take away for the next meeting is getting together the specifics of our strategies. :) Also, spread the word around. ANYone who is remotely sympathetic to the cause, drag them into one of the meetings, get them into one of the groups. Advertise the effort in your own groups. :)
22:59:34 Talarus Luan: let's start getting bodies in here. :)
22:59:43 Klaatu Congrejo: I gotta go guys - another meet I'm supposed to be at 4pm. Put me down for any of the teams that needs extra bodies Talarus.
23:00:00 Esther Merryman: bye Klaatu
23:00:02 Yelena Etzel: people was great beeing with you but i will leave now. I keep in touch with the group . Good luck !
23:00:07 Timo Daehlie: l8r klaatu ;))
23:00:13 Talarus Luan: I imagine that, within a few short weeks, we will start needing to have the separate teams have their own meetings, or this meeting will quickly outgrow the sim. ;)
23:00:20 rm Sirbu: bye klaatu
23:00:21 Timo Daehlie: thx Yelena for coming ;)
23:00:27 Esther Merryman: bye yelena
23:00:28 Talarus Luan: Aye, thanks all for coming. :)
23:00:31 Timo Daehlie: we publish your site on our blog ;)
23:00:33 Hekate Galatea: I hope you're correct, Talarus.
23:00:40 Esther Merryman: take care
23:00:41 Yelena Etzel: great bye :)
23:00:46 Talarus Luan: Any last questions or comments for the meeting before I close the log?
23:01:12 Esther Merryman: nope ===== Close Log 2008-05-25T23:01:42.182612Z =====